THE REAL SCARFACE ALBUMS POLL, VOTE IN THIS IF YOU ARE NOT A POSEUR

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whiney what kind of retarded ass statement is that

still corny that the def jam partly kanye-produced record won but what r u gonna do

dude this btw is why you will always be indie rock deej to me whether you listen to indie rock or not. you may not dig the jams but the ideology is u to a T my friend and game recognize game ok. because going out of one's way to try and position one's taste somehow above the fix just because it's kanye-produced is indie-ism at its most pernicious. you know why people voted the fix? because it's a fucking awesome, solid album with great lyrics & performances & rad grooves, and fretting about about whether kanye produced it makes you mr.

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"dude this btw is why you will always be indie rock deej to me whether you listen to indie rock or not. you may not dig the jams but the ideology is u to a T my friend and game recognize game ok."

thats bullshit dude this attitude is as old as time and permeates all genres

"oh yes, I don't really go in for Reasonable Doubt...more of a 'Hawaiian Sophie' man myself"

deej you know that "indie rock deej" is hilarious enough to merit you changing your screenname to it for at least three posts

do the right thing man

except that 'liking the better stuff' is sorta the attitude of 'discerning person' not 'indie rock guys'

:p

which is harder: picking your favorite scarface album, or deciding whether deej or whiney has been the worst in this thread?

you down with I.R.D.? yeah, you know me

i never said anything like 'only lil wayne mixtapes are classic' or w/e

yeah that is true

id'ing oneself as "discerning" for having an opinion that differs with the popular opinion...jeez, what kinda music to cats who cop this attitude often enjoy...answers on a postcard to indie rock j0hn

xp fair enuf on the wayne tapes remark but you really do have a lot of the indieism about you man, take it from me, I run that block

only whiney would sit around all day complaining about rock critics and then say something like "mixtapes aren't albums because critics don't remember them after 9 months"

"id'ing oneself as "discerning" for having an opinion that differs with the popular opinion...jeez, what kinda music to cats who cop this attitude often enjoy...answers on a postcard to indie rock j0hn"

the popular opinion ... on ilx, not neccessarily among scarface fans specifically or rap fans in gen?

i mean w/e call me 'indie' if u want. imo its kinda treating non-indie ppl as aliens who dont have normal human opinions & anyone whose impulses u recognize from indie becomes indie but w/e

sigh

I never said there weren't classic mixtapes, its just that the inner rockist in me is consistently frustrated at how ephemeral they are.

the popular opinion ... on ilx, not neccessarily among scarface fans specifically or rap fans in gen?

lol you have to be kidding. name me one rap head besides yourself whose first reaction on hearing the fix mentioned is anything other than "classic album, no questions" instead of something about how it's corny for people to dig it. everybody who's ever loved rap knows this album is all time. only dudes with Heart of Malkmus are gonna get all "sniff sniff, oh no, kanye west, can't have that" about the fix winning a scarface poll. how many mics did it get deej? any critics of note you can name who think it's anything less than classic?

its a totally diff argument, and I shouldnt have taken it out on mixtapes ion general

whiney mixtapes called they are v. pissed @ you...squash that beef before it gets out of hand

whiney and deej could find an excuse to fight in a thread called "ITT WE TELL EVERYONE HOW MUCH WE LUV DEM"

if it makes you feel better I just bought a couple more scarface tracks b/c of thread

ol you have to be kidding. name me one rap head besides yourself whose first reaction on hearing the fix mentioned is anything other than "classic album, no questions" instead of something about how it's corny for people to dig it. everybody who's ever loved rap knows this album is all time. only dudes with Heart of Malkmus are gonna get all "sniff sniff, oh no, kanye west, can't have that" about the fix winning a scarface poll. how many mics did it get deej? any critics of note you can name who think it's anything less than classic?

― aerosmith: live at gunpoint (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:03 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

...but i dont think its less than classic either? & yes i absolutely know rap heads who will be like "but its really kinda overrated compared to diary or his first record" -- thats not exactly totally out there dude.

i mean u want actual names of ppl?

no no dudes derailing yet another thread where whiney & j0hn get a boner for 'proving' that im SECRETLY INDIE is way more fun than talking about scarface

I want names, addresses, and SSNs of all people whose opinions you cite

and preferred email address

classic thread

no no dudes derailing yet another thread where whiney & j0hn get a boner for 'proving' that im SECRETLY INDIE is way more fun than talking about scarface

the secret's out!

has it been established that aerosmith indeed had a boner

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did someone open the ark of the covenant

...I mean...if you were, like, saying "here are the tracks that make the diary a much better album" or "here's what the diary has the the fix doesn't" or even, if you gotta insist on goin the overrated/overpraised/how-indie-dudes-talk-all-day route, "here is why the shit that most people agree is kanye in great form on the fix is actually wack, and I will now hip you to why it's wack" instead of "oh, it's kanye...true heads hate on kanye" (when you know and I know that when the fix dropped every head worth his salt considered kanye a true player & there wasn't really anything corny about it) then that'd be cool...but that is not what yr doin...you know?

lol san te

its more that kanye is an NY-approved critically respected artist who 'legitimized' scarface to a degree among ppl who had considered him 'ok for the south' before that, thus the 5 mic source award, thus the average ilxor appreciation

its a good record & some ppl -- like yourself -- i would have no problem w/ voting for it w/ well-argued positions. but the reason it won this poll doesnt have anything to do w/ 'convincing arguments' & everything to do w/ the major label def jam record w/ kanye beats getting more attention from a coastally biased rap media + critics deference to such

you guys

deej is honkin on bobo here

loooooooooooooooooool

underrated aeroesmith albums i have loved you are coming across as the corny indie fuck here i'm sorry

no-one is denying the fix is a classic album but what the fuck

still corny that the def jam partly kanye-produced record won but what r u gonna do

deej you are an asshole tho haha

ILX: where we call each other indie

fwiw i think 'calling ppl indie' is a meaningless rhetorical trick that doesn't really shed any light on the arguments at hand

esp when it's fucking cmj dude and mr mtn goat
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the diary shoulda won though

"cmj dude"

Cool, the last day I stepped into work at CMJ was 2006 but OK.

You gonna ask j0hn how the Bloody Hawaiians are doing next?

what you do now is totally different right

still beats your last gig of blowing sailors for beer money, though

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the difference is i don't actually blow sailors for beer money but you did actually write for cmj and basically do the same thing now, four years later. proudly.