tell me where it speaks about the music, let alone speaks about the music in a way that isn't hamfisted and plug-eared
'it's all just a big horrible mess of styles thrown together!!!1' = 'i did not listen to the album'
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
haha, i read that review and thought "wow, lj must love this band"
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
actually I might have to check this band out off the strength of that review -- Dismemberment Plan got a crash course in Pro Tools and a record deal with Fueled By Ramen sounds kinda awesome (well-established meaninglessness of invoking 'ProTools' as an aesthetic aside)
― the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
tell me where it speaks about the music, let alone speaks about the music in a way that isn't hamfisted and plug-eared'it's all just a big horrible mess of styles thrown together!!!1' = 'i did not listen to the album'― acoleuthic, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i was about to post that he describes the music accurately
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
would describe it as 'strong like' rather than 'love' - they've got great songs but they're mired in tasteful indie sonics
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
The first 10 or so seconds of this record is pretty much the only span with any negative space-- and even that resembles the obelisk-staring intro of Coldplay's "Square One". From there on, Man Alive is jacked up with bizarre key changes, superfluous time-signature switches, electro noodling, and half-rap lyrics delivered in run-on melodies
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
^^this sounds like a good description of some music
From there on, Man Alive is jacked up with bizarre key changes, superfluous time-signature switches, electro noodling, and half-rap lyrics delivered in run-on melodies, and you ultimately think, "hey, what would happen if Dismemberment Plan got a crash course in Pro Tools and a record deal with Fueled By Ramen?" Everything Everything aren't afraid to answer those tough questions.
i have no idea what fueled by ramen is, but listening to these bros, they do just change tim-sig for no reason whatever
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
he doesn't mention that there are two very pretty ambient electro workouts, but then he wouldn't - he hasn't heard the album
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
fueled by ramen is a punk/emo label iirc
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
did he even go to the same gig as me?
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― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
bizarre key changes, superfluous time-signature switches, electro noodling, and half-rap lyrics delivered in run-on melodies
yes but you haven't said whether this works or not you clueless buffoon. you haven't said whether EE make it work for themselves with their songwriting. what you've done is wildly overplay some of the music's more outre tendencies, slap the poisonous signifiers 'bizarre' and 'superfluous' (maybe they're logical and necessary for what EE are trying to do!) on top and assume we'll agree because we KNOW what good music is because Pitchfork fucking told us what good music was
fuck you
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to song "Photoshop Handsome"; this isn't nearly as weird or annoying as the review makes it sound. guy's voice isn't that bad. I wish it rocked a lil more tho
― the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wrong thread
― markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
there really aren't that many time-sig changes, and the melodies, IMO, are lovely
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
fueled by ramen = fallout boy, panic! at the disco, etc. I think I like those bands better than these dudes sadly
― the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
'i listened to the album and it's all just a big horrible mess of styles thrown together!!!1'
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yes but you haven't said whether this works or not you clueless buffoon.
just fyi "bizarre" "superfluous" "noodling" and "run-on" are pretty significant clues as to dude's attitude over whether it works or not
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
slap the poisonous signifiers 'bizarre' and 'superfluous' (maybe they're logical and necessary for what EE are trying to do!) on top and assume we'll agree because we KNOW what good music is because Pitchfork fucking told us what good music was
riiiiiiight. so if he's subbed 'logical' and 'necessary' for 'bizarre' and 'superfluous' that would be ok because... it's what EE is trying to do! it's sort of within the critic's remit to have an opinion.
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
ie it's pretty clear that he thinks the band does not make these ideas work for them
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
only 'superfluous' is outright negative, and he needs to give examples
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
also assuming that "you hate new British music" is aimed at the summary description on the front page: the band's Britishness isn't really addressed in the actual review at all, and I'm guessing an editor wrote the capsule review
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
alright fine i'm gonna listen to a song by these jokers
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
no I didn't see the capsule - I'm basing this on how Pitchfork have treated all but the most tasteful British indie from the year whatever
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
lj, i listened to track one, and it was kind of ok, and then woah, hey, here is a pointless change in direction -- and now another one
there is something british about it
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't even like this band THAT much! It's more a matter of principle than anything - they're getting dismissed out of hand because they have a bit of ambition, which sometimes works better than at others
tracks 4-10 are where it's at fyi
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
the song 'final form' alone shd guarantee the album 6.5 at least
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
my kz, ur bf or whatever:
i hear some really bad transitions and some wtf synth sounds. the guy's voice is ok, the chorus is identifiable and decent. basically everything this song does was done better by wild beasts last year.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
they love uk electronic music (mount kimbie/actress/ramadanman/james blake/joker/everyone else)
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
great thread derail guys
― markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
jeez don't listen to that one first. this album is badly-sequenced - that one should be buried somewhere in its midst
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ok which one should i listen to and is it on youtube
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
great thread derail guys― markers, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:28 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark
― markers, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:28 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark
hopefully pitchforkreviewsreviewsbro will weigh in, making it retrospectively relevant
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
at their best they're pretty much up there with Wild Beasts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vIoeaXOJFc
can only find a live version on Youtube
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
lol because people are actually talking about music?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the thread for PRR dipshit
― markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe we need a "Pitchfork Reviews Reviews Reviews" thread for reviews of Pitchfork Reviews Reviews.
― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
smh
― markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm this one kinda sounds like mid-period radiohead.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but does it remotely scan with that review
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought the review fair, and unlike most p4k reviews, an 'actually readable and intelligent piece of writing'
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
final gambits: photoshop handsome which is a rly pretty pop song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5h2LRvBQ5Q
and 'nasa is on your side' which is like a coldplay song gone right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d5PKHhRhkg
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean i don't want to say "pfork guy offtm" based on two songs (one being a live youtube) but they are less annoying than i imagined so
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
re: last two tracks, you'll notice they're both very catchy and contain no baffling time-sig changes, confusing melodies or electro wankery
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. they're much more about songcraft than about all the extraneous shit that Mr Cohen seems to think EE are about
wish the guy's voice wasn't completely unlistenable
― history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
the first of those two isn't great--it's still choppy and i honestly don't understand why they're choosing some of those keyb sounds. the ballad is kinda pretty but his voice does suffer there.
i could give these guys a review in the high 5s.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
and w/that i will turn this thread back over to people who want to discuss an inane personal blog site.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
That guy is a terrible, terrible singer, about as bad as any I've heard.
― mc banhammer (Pashmina), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i was gonna say that this wasn't apocalyptically bad or anything but the singing in the chorus is just absurd
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link