Rush: Classic or Dud?

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Been a long time since
I'd listened to Show of Hands
Boy Rush liked their synths

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 March 2007 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

absolute shit.

I mean DUD.

Saxby D. Elder, Thursday, 15 March 2007 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, well, that's the easy take on them.

The truth is, these guys wrote some pretty...interesting music. I won't say "good" necessarily, b/c Geddy's voice has issues and there's just something about their aesthetic that screams "LOSER."

But as I listen to Show of Hands, which is kind of their "Rush in the 80's" record, I defy anyone who's heard "Manhattan Project," "Subdivisions," or "Red Sector A" to say that these guys didn't know their way around a good tune or have a pretty remarkable sense of pop dynamics. Particularly on the former, the synth stuff is surprisingly sophisticated.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok, not to take this TOO far, but is it just me or does Geddy sound like he's going through an auto-tuner on this version of "Spirit of Radio"?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DelSXAtiB48&mode=related&search=

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

haha yeah I never thought about that but even the shouts and exclamations sound like they are right on pitch. That's great if he's doing it on his own. I need someone like that to help me out with my solfège struggles.

Sundar, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

pot kettle black
"there's just something about their aesthetic that screams "LOSER."
wow, to worry about what's aesthetically screaming loser on an internet board, wow
Classic

kamerad, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link

not enough haikus
in this thread revival, folks!
I quite like "Far Cry"

Jeff W, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

But as I listen to Show of Hands, which is kind of their "Rush in the 80's" record, I defy anyone who's heard "Manhattan Project," "Subdivisions," or "Red Sector A" to say that these guys didn't know their way around a good tune or have a pretty remarkable sense of pop dynamics. Particularly on the former, the synth stuff is surprisingly sophisticated

Yup. I've been saying this for years. For me, the '70s stuff was their apprenticeship; the results were the eighties synth-pop.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I grew up on Rush
Tom Sawyer, 2112
No fault before God

Pye Poudre, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The new Rush song sounds
like the old Rush songs I like
but just not as good

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed with Alfred
That their early eighties sound
represents their peak

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes. Moving Pictures
Too much strange beauty for us
Mere humans, my ears

But synthpop? Hardly
And while Permanent Waves and
Signals shine brightly

They hold no candle
To 2112, it's strong
Light o'ermasters theirs

For this band knows peaks
Then valleys: brilliant flashes
Come sudden, then gone

Pye Poudre, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I dig Geddy's appearence in the new ESPN fantasy baseball commercial!

Stormy Davis, Friday, 16 March 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm quite enjoying "Mystic Rhythms" right now. Oh, and Anne Dudley on Power Windows?!? My...

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 16 March 2007 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

r.i.p. john rutsey.

tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP duder -- never knew that's why he had to leave the band.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

on a whim bought tickets for Rush at the Excel Center on Thursday nite!

SOOO OOOO OOEXCITED : ) : ) : ) : )

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I think Rush have a bunch of great songs, but I wouldn't call myself a fan: their fans tend to be kinda obsessive. But that's awesome. One of my regrets is that a friend of mine was a huge Rush fan (also Dream Theater and Jethro Tull) when I met him, and I turned him on to alternative rock in the mid 90s and he just gave up on Rush and the others. That's too bad: I found his Rush obsessiveness interesting. So I'm glad that there are still Rush fans out there.

Euler, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link

They still bring it live. too bad about Rutsey, the first album was a beast.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Seeing them on Sunday! For the first time ever, I might add.

I'm starting to think their new live album just might be their best to date.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link

All the World's A Stage is a nearly unbeatable live album. So if you say that, I guess I gotta hear this new one.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

so freakin awesome - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mav12Hm8fSs&feature=related

will, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

one of my very first concerts (back in the Hemispheres days)...practically wore out my copy of All The World's A Stage before I caught the "back in the dressing room" banter at the end of Side 4...("oh man, what a show!")...sad about Rutsey...I recall rumors about Neil Peart having leukemia...maybe true, maybe fans confusing him with Rutsey...

henry s, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Granted, my taste in Rush is a bit on the weird side, I tend to prefer their 82-87 output. I guess because those were the years where I first got into the band.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

AB-I think your tastes are in line with this thread, nothing weird about that. I'm more of a '70s fan, with 2112 being, in my opinion, their best. But I also love the 80s stuff.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

My favorite album is still the first one I got by them -- A Show of Hands, of all things. I think they're a band that you end up loving whatever you get into first.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Thought I'd seen it all
Til I saw that video
Finding My Way smokes

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Cool to see Peart on a small kit too.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't listened to their recent stuff much, but they were truly awesome in the '70s. Agreed that All the Worlds... is incredible, one of the most underrated live albums by any band in any genre. Also, I agree with Ned's second sentence -- I think they're a band that you end up loving whatever you get into first -- with one caveat: provided you can like or grow to like Geddy's voice, especially on the earlier stuff when it was higher.

Lostandfound, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I tell you, I'd freak if they ever pulled out stuff like "Red Sector A" and "The Enemy Within". They are doing "Between the Wheels" and "Digital Man", which is cool.

And yeah, Ned's comment is dead on...Grace Under Pressure is the album I'm most fond of precisely because it was my first. Even though "Red Lenses" kind of blows.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

One thing I always liked about 80s Rush is that Lifeson actually takes great advantage of that super chorus/compressed post-Andy Summers sound that every guitarist was flocking to then.

First Rush album I ever heard was Exit... Stage Left. Signals was the first one I ever bought (and am fond of the most)

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link

One thing I always liked about 80s Rush is that Lifeson actually takes great advantage of that super chorus/compressed post-Andy Summers sound that every guitarist was flocking to then.

That's for sure. There's this effortless transition from one style of Big Epic Music to another that lesser souls failed at constantly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

That was weird watching them be so Zeppelin-ish in that You Tube clip.

Bimble, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

it's weird how so many of the dino-chops-rockers of the 70s made a transition into quasi-new wave moves but still maintaining their own sort of spin on it -- rush, dudes from asia, yes, king crimson, etc

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think Lifeson was the best at that early-80s new wave guitar style. On Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, he really nailed that tone.

That's what I found so exciting about the last album, you had subtle glimpses of that very sound, like on "Armor and Sword".

A. Begrand, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think Lifeson was the best at that early-80s new wave guitar style. On Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, he really nailed that tone.

Aye. "The Manhattan Project" always sounded like a McGeoch-era Siouxsie song to me - especially with that string break in the middle.

OK, I'm going to have to fish out my Rush albums tonight.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link

My favorite may actually be A Show of Hands... talk about an all killer, no filler set list. I love their 70s stuff, but a lot of the live albums from then had spotty material. Hands really encapsulated the very best songs from that era of the band.

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link

i got into these guys thru my classic rock lovin' older sisters back around the time of Farewell To kings & hemispheres. these guys were HUGE in my jr high/high school years in my blue collar/lower middle class environment. i would rate permanent waves & signals as things i would still like to listen to, tho i don't own anything by them anymore. i saw them at the Meadowlands back on the signals tour (i think). anything post-signals sounded like shit to me but i know that's when a lot of you younger guys got into them.
Take off,to the great white north.

gershy, Thursday, 22 May 2008 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link

love this guy who plays acoustic rush riffs in his suburban kitchen.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 22 May 2008 07:24 (fifteen years ago) link

presumably while the kids are at soccer.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 22 May 2008 07:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Aye. "The Manhattan Project" always sounded like a McGeoch-era Siouxsie song to me - especially with that string break in the middle.

You have made my day, mister. I wish you understood just how much shit I was given for listening to Power Windows in 9th grade.

Bimble, Thursday, 22 May 2008 07:43 (fifteen years ago) link

growing up in a small town, rush was almost served as a kind of "alternative" rock for us before nirvana and all them...we never heard about any cool new wave or punk stuff...so rush was metal enough to get a pass but there was something different about it obviously.

anyway i'm pretty excited about tonight...

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link

If they were playing here in town, I'd go but I really don't wanna drive for hours to the middle of nowhere etc...

Bimble, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link

i can't wait for those opening notes of spirt of radio!!!!!!!!!!!

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

"Subdivisions" is going to be the one that gets me the most, I know it.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link

ANY EsCAPE MIGHT HELP TO SOOTH THE UNATTRACTIVE TRUTH!!!!

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Subdivisions" is probably my ultimate favorite as well in the end. Though it was kinda funny I first heard one of the best encapsulations of bored/frustrated suburban life crossed with random dreams of something else after I'd already left high school!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the perfect midpoint between the '70s prog stuff and the '80s new wave stuff has to be Moving Pictures, and I nominate that album as Rush's platonic ideal. It has a little bit of both realms, and knocks both out of the park

Bill Magill, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link

A Farewell To Kings
Hemispheres is also great
2112 rules

HI DERE, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link

i will (sort of) defend hold your fire as being good too

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link


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