Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

I favor merging Tokyo Story and Vertigo into one movie.

i know ppl that really love part one and have no use for the sequels and obv 'part two is better than part one' is almost conventional wisdom now, though that's not the same as dismissing part one. i've pretty much always leaned towards two (and if clemenza had been in it it might be a runaway decision), but lately the pulp blockbuster novel roots that show in one and the somewhat unmet higher aspirations toward a higher station in two make me lean toward the first one (plus brando).

to be fair barely legal 14 and 15 were shot concurrently.

Well...realistically, there are probably very few candidates for these kinds of polls that present a similar problem. The first two Godfathers might not be unique, but they're close - hello ivan the terrible

they were cumshot cumcurrentwatly

i haven't seen it, but is the inclusion of showgirls on two lists anything other than challops?

berkely's second best role until curse of the jade scorpion.

No way, First Wives Club was way better than Jade Scorpion.

Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out.

Other MGM musicals are deeper.

How does this matter?

― Eric H., Sunday

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

bcuz deeper films are better, Mr. The Fury

Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out

But is that because it's any better, or because they're all equivalent?

Showgirls is deeper.

Go deeper into Showgirls.

Also, I'm pretty tired of hearing how The Band Wagon is somehow deeper than Singin' in the Rain. The reason I like The Band Wagon is that it ends with the admission that it's all about the show, g-d it.

morbs, diff strokes and all that, but the funny thing is, Suspiria sorta has more in common w a musical than it does trad narrative cinema - its all about colour, light, stylised movement, and the interrelationship btween image and soundtrack, imho - its like the Red Shoes w added blud! The Shining also is an incredibly CHOREOGRAPHED film

'Showgirls is deeper' is verging on some non sequitur truthbomb fundamental meaning shit

tbh it wasn't really a joke

Ward, Morbs has no use for choreogriffany.

I was waiting to see how long I could get away with The Naked Gun 2 1/2. Airplane! was Gore Vidal's favorite comedy, so.

I'm just way more partial to the first Naked Gun. Tho the third one has that great Academy Awards setpiece.

Thin Red Line
The Passenger
L'avventura
8 1/2
Seven Samurai
Stalker
Vertigo
Magnificent Ambersons
Au Hasard Balthazar
Tokyo Story

Love that Kane is on a grand total of 1 ballots. The ballot with Esteban Buttez: The First Ten Posts on it.

took Naked Gun 2 1/2 as a troll of every great film comedian ever

Kane is in my second 10

Eyes Wide Shut is at least as "choreographed" as The Shining and much less dumb.

i haven't seen it, but is the inclusion of showgirls on two lists anything other than challops?

No more than the fucking Godfather.

^ challops

Well sure, but The Godfather is some lugubrious garbage, and unless you're Michael Medved, it shouldn't be all that surprising that a lot of people like Paul Verhoeven.

this is what I came up thinking about for about 5 min

A Woman Under The Influence
2001: A Space Odyssey
Persona
Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Le Mépris
Mulholland Dr
Andrei Rublev
There Will Be Blood
Tokyo Story
Blade Runner

oh shit- blade runner definitely gets in for me, prob at expense of serpico

The Godfather is some lugubrious garbage

I think I'm guilty of detouring too many threads into Godfather talk, so we're lettin' that one pass!

Leave the post. Take the cannoli.

I can understand lots of reasons for not being into the Godfather movies, but being "lugubrious" is the most WTF flown-in-on-a-meteor-from-the-other-side-of-the-galaxy reason I've ever heard.

it insists upon itself

Toronto's Cinematheque has moved into a new splashy building, and to launch everything they're starting with a series of "essentials" voted on by critics and members. Not sure how it was weighted, but here's the Top 20:

1 THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC (Carl Theodor Dreyer)
2 CITIZEN KANE (Orson Welles)
3 L'AVVENTURA (Michaelangelo Antonioni)
4 THE GODFATHER (Francis Ford Coppola)
5 PICKPOCKET (Robert Bresson)
6 SEVEN SAMURAI (Akira Kurosawa)
7 PATHER PANCHALI (Satyajit Ray)
8 CASABLANCA (Michael Curtiz)
9 MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA (Dziga Vertov)
10 BICYCLE THIEVES (Vittorio De Sica)
11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
12 8 ½ (Federico Fellini)
13 BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN (Sergei Eisenstein)
14 RASHOMON (Akira Kurosawa – 2)
15 TOKYO STORY (Yasujiro Ozu)
16 THE 400 BLOWS (François Truffaut)
17 UGETSU (Kenji Mizoguchi)
18 BREATHLESS (Jean-Luc Godard)
19 L'ATALANTE (Jean Vigo)
20 CINEMA PARADISO (Giuseppe Tornatore)

The full 100's here.

I've got tickets for a couple of speakers (which they charge way too much for--$18.75): Michael Murphy's there for Nashville (#71), and Bogdonavich is introducing Citizen Kane (also The Searchers at #41).

Could this portend De Sica's triumphant return to S&S's top 10?

... no.

Y'know, I love 8 ½ but it's such a ramshackle construction I feel like it's not ever gonna be top 20 material.

Funny list - mostly critical canon with occasional jarring interjections from the members - Slumdog Millionaire?!

Also, Cinemwahahaha Paradlolso

think the list is fine and 'representative' but

11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)

the eleventh best film of all time? get real.

think filmmakers who make tons of classics are discriminated against. vigo has it easy. wonder if an e-consensus will be built up for powell and pressburger.

the eleventh best film of all time? get real.

No -- it means that ten other films got more mentions.

think filmmakers who make tons of classics are discriminated against.

This. I wonder if it partly accounts for the rise and rise of Vertigo - critics settling on one Hitch they can all get behind but really voting for his body of work. As far as P&P are concerned, ILX seems to be mostly about Canterbury but ILX ain't the outside world, where I'm guessing Red Shoes is probably still the front-runner? You could make a case for at least 5 imo.

i think 'red shoes' will be 'the one', yup, but 'peeping tom' is a fave of academics and there are plenty of others.

"Peeping Tom" is sans Pressburger tho.

as we're all getting greedy here IS my next 10, again, excluding films I love but which clearly aren't classics

Pierrot Le Fou
Citizen Kane
Ugetsu Monogatari
F For Fake
North By Northwest
Bringing Up Baby
Spirited Away
The White Ribbon
Diary Of A Country Priest
The Phantom Of Liberty

should I watch Peeping Tom tonight y/n

Y

YES.

P&P support in S&S '02 was just all over the place!

oh okok cool gotcha

had it lying around for months - I'm really bad at watching movies on my own