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"Fiance? Beyonce - I'm walking out on destiny." is what I hear. The video is quite violent isn't it, and the debate has been raging about who dies at the end of it. First it seems only her car blows up, but then both are engulfed in flames--- but THEN, as the girls walk away, supposedly only his car is burning in the background, and CL's participation was a fantasy.. because she let his sorry as go and doesn't care anymore. Who knows.

abcfsk, Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you haven't checked out the album you might also be interested in the English version of 'Can't Nobody' youtube.com/watch?v=8A5Kz3n5C1k

abcfsk, Sunday, 12 September 2010 16:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

was there ever a mecha-hiphop subgenre that ever took off other than that Taekwon-V single?

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 12 September 2010 16:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ Same label as 2NE1. I don't think so, that would be most welcome. Spiritually I guess you could say that yes, many artists today sound like half robot hiphoppers.


don't know what's gonna come out of this. Nervous, cautiously optimistic.

abcfsk, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

i guess they're referencing irreplaceable then?

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Beyonce leaving Destiny's Child is the pun, surely.

Here's a slice of meta-k-pop, one of the first I've come across. San E is slightly reminiscent of early Eminem in delivery and humour, including some jabs at girl groups (but featuring a member of one). The English subtitles are from the official channel, albeit clearly written down in a hurry.


abcfsk, Monday, 13 September 2010 21:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

You have to launch it in its own tab/window to see the subtitles, it seems.

abcfsk, Monday, 13 September 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you're interested in a quick overview of what's selling in Korea right now, this youtube channel does a nice job of presenting the combined digital single sales, weekly:


abcfsk, Friday, 17 September 2010 17:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

New BoA single


No matter the song there's no one I'd rather see on stage.

abcfsk, Saturday, 25 September 2010 11:34 (seven years ago) Permalink


released today, apparently. percussion reminds me of swizz beatz. a little, at least.

tumlbrah (dayo), Monday, 27 September 2010 07:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a catchy tune, I think this group is finding their place and aren't sounding like all the others at the moment. Probably the strongest 2010 girl group debut. I see their label JYP now subs all the new video releases in English on their official channel. Recall that 2NE1's label YG is now going to upload their TV show "2NE1 TV" on youtube with subs, as well. Performance show 'Music Bank' has recently started reading international twitter requests (in English) to the artists, in an effort to reach out to the global audience. In the past year they've really become aware of the power of the international fanbase, doing things like this and releasing stuff on Itunes internationally by default.

And on that note, ANOTHER new girl group tries out a different strategy, debuting in Korea and America at the same time:


abcfsk, Monday, 27 September 2010 08:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I feel Hyunah's "Change" live routine is Electrik Red's "We Fuck You" as interprative dance. Either way it's one of the best live performances of the year.


abcfsk, Saturday, 2 October 2010 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Video makes it even more... direct.


abcfsk, Saturday, 2 October 2010 00:13 (seven years ago) Permalink


abcfsk, Friday, 8 October 2010 09:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

K-pop history: In 1992 "Seo Taiji Boys" debuted and changed the industry in every conceivable way. In this clip they perform on a talent show and are promptly given two thumbs down by a stern jury:


... but this is the template, the blueprint, through which k-pop as a sound and identity was created. You hear it today, not only in hip hop groups, not only in male groups, but from more or less all artists on the chart. Taiji is to many The icon or the founding father of Korean pop. (One of the other three members is Yang Hyun Suk, the current chief of YG Entertainment where Big Bang, Se7en and 2NE1 are signed.)

The group's explosive popularity upended censorship laws and norms both on and off scene. Their blend of dance pop and hip hop is why even most cutesy girl groups today have a dedicated rapper. Even stately ballads have rap parts! Electro-club-hip-hop still dominates among both girl and boy groups.

abcfsk, Thursday, 14 October 2010 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

any speculation on why their use of metal didn't carry over to the rest of the genre?

also does anyone have more info on the anti-beef imports DBSK beef? (I saw it mentioned in businessweek of all places)

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 14 October 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't know why, exactly, but plenty of other 'noisy' elements seem to have replaced it.

The beef details escape me, but you should know that DBSK's fan club ('Cassies') is the craziest and most zealous fan club among countless crazy and zealous k-pop fan clubs. Those girls are dangerous, and to get what they want they organize and demand it. The group members themselves had nothing to do with, it was a case of angry forum discussion among the club members leading to organized protests. And Koreans are very defensive about their beef.

abcfsk, Thursday, 14 October 2010 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

the only reference i saw online had some group member being poisoned with krazy glue slipped into their drink.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 14 October 2010 21:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, an anti-fan of DBSK's Yunho, a schoolgirl, gave him a glue-poisoned drink. He ended up in hospital, it was bad. He decided to not press charges because she was the same age as his sister. The fans were less forgiving--- "yunho oppa, i will poison and kill that fucking ugly girl´╗┐ that poisoned you. she must rot and die in hell" reads one Youtube comment. It's probably the most severe case of k-pop antis acting out on their fucked up ideas, although sending a blood-stained letter to SNSD's Yoona doescome close.

abcfsk, Thursday, 14 October 2010 21:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

this was all over a beef protest the group had nothing to do with? what happens when a group does get politically active?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 14 October 2010 21:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

No, that had nothing to do with the beef thing. The beef thing did not create any backlash against the group. This is the note the homicidal hater delivered along with the poison:

To, Jung Yunho

You watch your mouth!! Ever since the debut you were so stuck up. You won't last after a couple years... You would be forever seen as some teen idol, not a real singer. Do you know your limit? Only little kids like you!... I really want to kill you.

abcfsk, Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

PSY signs with YG and gets a bigger sound.


abcfsk, Thursday, 21 October 2010 10:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

SNSD "Hoot"

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 05:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Catchy, autotune-free, interesting chorus. Music video tomorrow.

Will.I.Am must've gotten inspired working with 2NE1. His new video with Nicki Minaj is Koreanified up the wazoo. http://community.livejournal.com/omonatheydidnt/4907406.html

Maybe Korean is the new Japanese in terms of pop culture adaptation ala Gwen Stefani's "let's put some japanese girls up in here".

abcfsk, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 08:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

On today's charts SNSD is #1 in Japan with Gee and #1 in Korea with Hoot. Historical feat in many ways!

abcfsk, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 10:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

SNSD 'Hoot' video


abcfsk, Thursday, 28 October 2010 10:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Now for something completely different


abcfsk, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

This tune's got a pretty great one minute long climax at the end


abcfsk, Sunday, 7 November 2010 22:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

the first k-pop song I've really liked in weeeks! love the soaring chorus.

however, this group seems to be composed of the can't dance rejects from the higher echelons.

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Monday, 8 November 2010 00:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

those guitars in the chorus are a good look

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Monday, 8 November 2010 00:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love the style switchups - starts out with club banger synths, then transitions into an anthemic 'go away' type song

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Monday, 8 November 2010 03:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yes. And I like a good balls-out break-less ending.

The new KARA is a pure crowd-pleaser, which is the path they should go down as a fairly nondescript group.


abcfsk, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Let's try that again


abcfsk, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 17:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I seriously cannot stop listening to the nothing lasts forever song. so exuberant! I wish the music video matched the sense of melancholy present in the song, but it's about partying.

dayo, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 23:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

It is pretty great, and such a huge surprise/turnaround since the group debuted earlier this year with shit no-one cared about. You can always watch the live performances -- they sing well, and do a weird splits sequence, even if the dance is otherwise amateurish.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh lord at the splits sequence

disappointed they didn't strap on guitars midway through!

dayo, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Liking this Gummy - There Is No Love (live)

abcfsk, Monday, 15 November 2010 10:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

An absolute smash hit from 2NE1. Supposedly a song made for Yamaha as a commercial soundtrack thing, but I hope this gets the proper treatment.

abcfsk, Friday, 26 November 2010 11:38 (seven years ago) Permalink


abcfsk, Thursday, 2 December 2010 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

have to wonder, is this current phase of k-pop running out of steam?

.\ /. (dayo), Thursday, 2 December 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ you say that after that BANGER?

Well yeah, 2009 was a peak year and set so many milestones that 2010 has ended up as a "well, shall we try to do that again?" year. A very attentive global WWW audience has worked with the same zealous force as Bieber fans in pushing videos to the 'most viewed' section of Youtube and artists to Twitter TT, and we've seen a successful move into Japan and a potentially lucrative future. But the music has felt less eventful than the stories. Meanwhile, those who have actually taken different paths have silently found a bigger success -- group member gone solo Ga-In, who was cheeky enough to take some control herself and put out a record with an oddly fully-fledged tango pop sound, did a lot better than her company expected and reached #1. Secret went the Rich Harrison-route, a sound no one else is doing in k-pop now, and took off, despite a low-key media presence. Countless new rookie groups who have copied others with a lot of attention given to them, meanwhile, have failed sales-wise. That should be a wake-up call.

Prospects: Big Bang is coming back, partly this december and fully in February. They're increasingly self-made, songwriting and producing much of the material themselves now and with the rest of the YG artists represent a more feel-good view of the k-pop industry. Koreas (potential) Taylor Swift (credit: me) IU is coming back in a WEEK and I have no idea what it will sound like, but if it isn't guitar-driven and if she hasn't been given a chance at songwriting herself (obviously something she can do as per her cover arrangements) I might give up on the industry. God knows she's got the potential to single-handedly change it and inspire a flood of self-made girls/ labels giving them a chance, because every little 'featuring' she's had on a song this year has made it reach #1. She's definitely one of the most valuable assets for the industry.

I think that's where it needs to go: Stronger personalities and characters, not another girl group made of long-legged models with 10 members who don't even have the dance/vocal skills we always knew we'd get in k-pop (*cough* Nine Muses) - and I do love k-pop girl groups. But there's a reason the buyers prefer 2NE1, or Taeyang, or this year's "Korean Idol" winners. And I do think it's where they will go, because the industry's turnaround rate is pretty impressive. It's only a few years ago when girl groups were all out of fashion.

My personal best of 2010 list soon.

abcfsk, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, the asian penchant for copying things to death is well known. I'm excited for IU - I only have that one song she did with 2AM, but it's fabulous. one of my students was really excited about her because of the reasons you mentioned.

.\ /. (dayo), Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

And this gorgeous duet she did with the mellowest voice in Korea. His is the sound of cream poured over strawberries.


abcfsk, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

is there any kind of NK-pop scene? (state sponsored or otherwise)
the last article i read about refugees only had a snippet about a kind of tacitly approved black market in chinese pop stars for DPRK ex-pats.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

BBC radio DJ Andy Kershaw noted, on a visit to North Korea, that the only recordings available were by the pop singers Jon Hye-yong, Kim Kwang-suk, Jo Kum-hwa and Ri Pun-hui, and the groups Wangjaesan Light Music Band, the Mansudae Art Troupe and the Pochonbo Electronic Ensemble, who play in a style Kershaw refers to as "light instrumental with popular vocal".[3] There is also the State Symphony Orchestra, the Sea of Blood Opera Company, two choruses, an orchestra and an ensemble dedicated to Isang Yun's compositions, all in Pyongyang. The Pyongyang Film Studios also produces many instrumental songs for its films.

Some of this was featured in the Pop World Cup.

abcfsk, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:41 (seven years ago) Permalink


I'd also like to offer up to other tracks from her new mini-album-
Guitar-looped RnB...love her vocals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3g11yVcI
Folk-ish, beautiful mild melody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKGGOCDak9w

abcfsk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 09:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I tried to put those as urls instead of embeds, guess that didn't work.

abcfsk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 09:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

and you say she writes all her songs herself? I have a new crush

p.s. does anybody else read this thread besides me and philip nunez?

the nagl is the nagl (dayo), Thursday, 9 December 2010 12:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

aaaaaand she's 17, so I don't have a new crush

the nagl is the nagl (dayo), Thursday, 9 December 2010 12:44 (seven years ago) Permalink


I didn't say that, unfortunately, I said I hope she will be composing soon because her guitar cover arrangements that she has arranged herself shows she's got the touch, and she's expressed in interviews she wishes to eventually take full control. She did write some lyrics on this album though, and has associated herself with the right people.

Not sure if anyone reads it.. no one replies, anyway! Frank's doing a fair bit of k-pop posting on his livejournal, though.

abcfsk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 12:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

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