Pitchfork: The Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s: 20-01

OK, at the risk of exposing myself as hopelessly out of touch, the first time I'd ever heard "Juicy" was on that Girl Talk track.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wut

"out of touch" is not the pejorative i would choose there

i don't know, if i could be aware of that song as a 12-year-old in public school in somerset who barely knew that hip-hop existed, i don't really feel there's any excuse for anyone of appropriate age to have first heard it through FUCKING GIRL TALK. i'm proud that i didn't know til today that that cunt despoiled biggie by using his song, i hope lil kim cuts his face up in revenge.

and the brodsky quartet version of "hyperballad" >>>>>> the original, which due to its sequencing on post mostly strikes me as a warm-up for the superior "the modern things"

SO RONG

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, September 10, 2010 8:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

justify? seriously i would like to try to understand how/why "hyperballad" has its rep - it's not particularly successful or well-known, no more so than any other given björk single, and as a huge björk fan since forever it just seems like a literally random choice from her discography. you may as well pick, idk, "cover me".

it's my favorite bjork song

i hope that girl talk doesnt get cut in the face!

didn't want my mind blown at 9 in the morning but reading a hoy hoy's posts

man

I gotta sit down

*siiiiiiiiiigh*

well "hyperballad", along with "play dead" and "bachelorette", is pretty much the best thing i've heard from bjork to date. it really is a beautiful song with an interesting magic-realism element to the lyrics. i also get more of an emotional sense from it than anything else she's released - it has a certain candour to it and perhaps a looseness to the vocal delivery that you don't hear so much in her later stuff, which seems more calculated and arms-length.

oh and yeah, "juicy" is the best thing i've heard from B.I.G, though i've never listened to him much.

"windowlicker" - yeah, best single maybe. but not the best representation of his talents, i'd say.

I rep for Hyperballad as the best bjork song from the 90s followed very closely by Unravel and Joga.
Best bjork song from the 00s is Cocoon no contest.

'Hyperballad' is my favourite Bjork song too, though there are plenty that run it close - for me it's not so much about emotional sense or even that it stands out as something different from the rest of her catalogue, it's mainly a matter of execution. I've always loved Bjork's way with phrasing and 'Hyperballad' has so many great moments on that front, "I throoOOOOOooow little things oo-ooff" especially. I also really really love the fluttering snares in the intro. I guess its appearance here is kind of surprising purely because I genuinely have no idea what a consensus Bjork track might be these days.

'Juicy' seems vaguely familiar but if yr not american and weren't around during his lifetime/canonization phase that's probably a pretty common reaction. The track is fine but in terms of lol pimp bildungsroman I'd rather the cold, dead eyed materialism of 86 Schooly D or Clipse.

Clearly 'Gold Soundz' isn't important, but this whole exercise gives lies to the notion of universally ~important~ music, which isn't to decry the utility of canons but I don't think it matters at all that anyone is unfamiliar or unmoved by any of this stuff at 10-20 yrs remove. Loveless is great but it's reasonable to think it's shit too. If someone, somewhere, somehow has never heard SLTS, w/e.

yup. 'juicy' wasn't this major thing in the uk in the 1990s, and it isn't a standard of popular culture now. prefer it to clipse (and pavement), but ppl are way overdoing it.

The Tristan prelude is probably 'important' in that decades of formal developments in various schools can reasonably be traced back to it. You could argue something similar with 'Sister Ray' or 'Planet Rock' but I'm not sure it works with anything in the timeframe of this poll. Try in another 10 yrs maybe.

Lex dissing "Loser" itt = God's work.

I have never heard "Juicy." Not that that disqualifies it from being a standard of popular culture or anything.

you should its p good

Yeah, I just lost my "Juicy" virginity on Youtube.

how have so many ppl not heard that song

I don't think I knew it by name before I started posting here 5 yrs ago and saw it getting mad love from ilxors; in my defense tho I was born in '87

and it has since been added to my archive of "hip-hop songs known by heart (and regularly rapped acapella in my car since the radio broke in order to keep myself entertained)"

you've failed me again ilxor.... protect ya neck has cool lyrics and swagger sure, but it doesn't hold shit for peas compared to gold soundz/only shallow/windowlicker. god u guyz suck.

i was born in 86 and never heard it when it came out but i've still known it since at least the late 90s. and even if you aren't a hiphop dude like i was, it gets played all the time at parties and bars. no excuse.

I was gonna omg at all the nvr heard juicy ppl but I've nvr heard a pulp song

oh never mind, you have heard it haha. misdirected ire.

think 'mo money mo problems' was my first biggie song but 'juicy' was also pretty inescapable where I grew up

i saw Juicy on Yo MTV Raps when it still existed fwiw

wtf pulp sucks were they like a comedy option

juicy vs. juicy juicy juice

i saw Juicy on Yo MTV Raps when it still existed fwiw

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, September 13, 2010 9:11 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i didnt have cable. we watched it on the box. that was his biggest track while he was alive iirc.

lol i remember the box

i don't even really remember big being alive and i still feel like i was born w/ "juicy" in my head -- i really have no idea how you could have not heard that track

for real

but yeah the idea of not having heard "juicy" before is kind of crazy to me, seeing as I grew up on BIG/am from Brooklyn/etc.

i remember getting in trouble for rapping along to "one more chance" lol

god the box was so fucking dope

i remember being so sad when mtv2 bought it out

i got in trouble when i was 9 for yellin BEEEYOTCH not realizing it was 'bitch' & just assuming it was thing rappers said

when you were 13 and kids started saying "bitch" were you all "Y'ALL SHOULD'VE LISTENED TO ME WHEN I WAS 9. YOU WERE SLEEPING!!!!!!"

ehhh yr reaching. this was an anecdote about 'beeeyotch'

heehee

i didnt have cable. we watched it on the box. that was his biggest track while he was alive iirc.

― *sets trend* (deej), Monday, September 13, 2010 10:46 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol i remember the box

― one hood ass geometry teacher (The Brainwasher), Monday, September 13, 2010 10:47 PM (35 minutes ago)

at the risk of turning this into another oh mannnn the fuckin box ruled back in the day derail...the fuckin box ruled so hard man

idk i think this goes right into the THREAD DERAILS ABOUT 'THE BOX' canon myself

:)

did not have the box :(

i didn't have the Box either. I would only see it when we stayed in hotels iirc

I always thought his biggest song pre-1997 was "Big Poppa."

i don't specifically remember "juicy" from the time, but in about 2000/01 i definitely remember realising OHHHH it's the "it was all a dream" one

rare that the opening line of a song feels iconic in itself

Speaking of The Box, it turned out to be 21/24 Whingey. Which is perfect for a classy guy like me.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/28/nc_21_club_081027_mn.jpg

ok I've been wanting to start a thread about The Box for a minute, gotta do it now

and even if you aren't a hiphop dude like i was, it gets played all the time at parties and bars. no excuse.

Not at parties and bars I go to, sorry.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what kind of parties guys like deej and Lex mean when they refer to a song's popularity at "parties." Frat parties? '80s teen-comedy parties? The parties I went to in college involved Moby and Weezer; the parties I go to now mostly just involve someone putting their iPod on shuffle. In most cases people just stand around drinking beer and talking. For a few years I helped organize a New Years Eve party held at a bar in which we picked a bunch of classic songs guaranteed to make people dance, but "Juicy" was not among them.