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p.s. are you guys in chicago?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I am in Virginia, I'll be back Tues. Sarah isn't getting back from France until Weds. night. I think John and some other CHILXors might be around though. How long are you going to be in town?

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

another two weeks, i think

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, OK, great. This weekend's going to be a little crazy, we're playing shows on the 30th and 31st, but we should hang out sometime after that.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

So what's the consensus?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, they were definitely gay.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Your review was great, A.S.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Predictably, I am going to question whether either of them was actually gay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, John! have you seen it yet?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

well, it seems obvious to me that Gyllenhaal is the gay one.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this. But I was the one who argued against Chris Cooper's character being gay in American Beauty long after it became apparent that he obviously was (but that was just me wishing the film was more ambiguous than it actually was).

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

King Kong was the gay one.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

A suspicion that's haunted me since I saw the film; but it's much too cold and spare.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

King Kong was the gay one.

You great feeb, it was Aslan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this.

Don't forget he also cruises Ennis a few minutes into the film.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you mentioned that ("this will do"), but I honestly don't remember it that clearly. And he does make the first move in the tent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Also: I'm getting a bit weary of the Heath Ledger award drumbeat, especially when Gyllenhaal is really the heart of the movie. His delivery of his last monologue is the most powerful acting he's ever done.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't agree with you there, unfortunately. He was fine for the first half of the film, but I found him as a bitter middle-aged man a bit unconvincing: I kept looking at him searchingly but all I saw was Jake Gyllenhaal with a ridiculous 'stache.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features. Were I homosexual, he would not be my premier candidate for intercourse.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the 'stache! I dunno...he seemed more comfortable with the stolidity of movement that's part of being middle-aged. And in the scene in which he answers Ennis' question about whether he's been with other women, he answers with an economy of gesture/bitterness that surprised me (it helps that his response is a lie: he's actually boning the ranch hand, not the ranch hand's wife).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's hot.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

nah

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I got bored. I really liked the short story though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

It's only now that I've noticed his hotness since his other movies have been mostly appalling.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I gotta say I'm not interested in this movie at all, and am surprised much of mainstream America is. I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week, and have found Ang Lee to be a pretty unreliable and unforgiveably mawkish director - the combo sounds boring and, er, flaccid...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week

I forgot you lived in Miami.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Unfortunately the combo in the movie is (boring and) flaccid too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"I forgot you lived in Miami."

close - San Francisco.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I forgot you lived in Daly City.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The best gay cowboys ever were in that one scene in Collateral.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

It's pretty much been all downhill for gay cowboys since that moment on.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

I forgot you lived in Rockford.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

My cousin lives in Miami and he thinks that San Francisco is Miami's polar opposite.

What a bunch of crap.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I love cuban breakfasts though. We need more of those.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm also an admirer of Morris Lapidus.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

and Trick Daddy, of course.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

and the early 90s Dolphins color scheme.

And some bits of Scarface.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

The scarred bits, right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

man I wish I knew a decent Cuban place in SF - the best ones I've eaten at were in LA...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The closest thing to gay cowboys we got in Miami walk the streets on Halloween.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features.

Aw yeah.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"guess who's coming to dinner" really isn't as bad as ppl say it is.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 30 December 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Except Tracy makes me cry in the last scene -- cuz he's talking about him & Hepburn in real life -- and this one kept my eyes dry. (It's more like the tragic sodomite Same Time Next Year.)

Lotsa dull dull domestic melodrama, and there's hardly any carnality (or eroticism) in it after the spit-lube. The way the next-to-last scene with the daughter panders to the hetero 'mainstream' made me kinda ill. Bet the Best Picture Oscar, and I wonder if Heath will keep up the Novocaine Mouth in his acceptance speech.

Boys with that brand of bizarre, oversized features can crawl in my tent too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The way the next-to-last scene with the daughter panders to the hetero 'mainstream' made me kinda ill

Wow. I know the scene is not in the story, but any scene as well-played as that one (Kate Mara gives the film's least heralded good performance) works just fine.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I also thought Shouty Jake (ie, the last monologue) was not particularly successful.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Soto, can i read yr review.
I just sent a discussion of this and mr and mrs smith to jump cut in montreal.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr Morbius plainly hates good acting.

Anthony: you got mail.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think this was a gay film at all. It was a conventional "women's picture". It has the same appeal to the same audience as A River Runs Through It, The Horse Whisperer etc etc. It's all about hunky, tough yet sensitive guys who don't say much. The buttsex angle is something of a red herring.

Compare/contrast slash fiction, written and read almost exclusively by heterosexual women.

― dream logic, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

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