What is the best Genesis studio album

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I believe "The Lamb..." will take it even if "Selling..." is my favourite. "Foxtrot" may also be a contender. It seems there are fewer "Duke" or "Invisible Touch" fans here than I expected from ILM though.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 21 April 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link

The Lamb is just too effin' much for me - it was actually what turned me off Genesis. I was digging NC & Foxtrot & even some of ...and then there were three and all my older friends were like "wait til you get to the Lamb Lies Down, there's this incredible story" and then I finally bought the album and 1) the story was garbage and 2) the version of "the Carpet Crawlers" wasn't as good as the one on "Seconds Out" so Crymes up Lambs down the end.

Hans Rott, Saturday, 21 April 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Selling England is also kinda too much for me - Foxtrot & Nursery Cryme are ambitious but they have a sort of youthful charm, but around Selling England Gabriel starts really believing in his own greatness and becomes insufferable

Hans Rott, Saturday, 21 April 2007 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, I have gotten into "Selling England" more and more and it's the one Genesis album that grows the most on me.

I still feel like there is no beating "Selling...." as their most cohesive album and "Supper's Ready" as their defining moment though. :)

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 21 April 2007 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link

The Lamb is very strong until side 4, I think. The story is unsatisfactory, but then narrative arc in Prog concept albums is almost always rubbish: hi dere Olias of Sunhillow, Thick as a Brick etc etc. I don't think that's a big problem.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 April 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Hardly news, considering the narrative in Mozart's operas was almost always rubbish too.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 22 April 2007 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah but Steve Hackett is no Mozart

Hans Rott, Sunday, 22 April 2007 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Dunno. Mozart was a genius, Steve Hackett is a genius :)

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 22 April 2007 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Never liked 'em much at all, I'm afraid. Except for a select handful of songs, I always found them wordy and tedious compared to Yes or Crimson or even ELP or Tull. That first live LP had the best song selection, but it's ineligible, of course. "Lamb" would be easier for me to si(f)t through if it weren't a double. And if the "story" weren't as pointless and incomprehensible. (Worse than "Lord Of The Rings", even.)

I guess I'll go with Foxtrot since it's got "Watcher of the Skies" and "Get 'em Out By Friday". Dunno if I'll ever be tempted to listen to "Supper's Ready" again, tho.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Sunday, 22 April 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Is the rest of Foxtrot as good as "Supper's Ready?"

Sundar, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

"Get'em Out By Friday" is great at least. Even though "Supper's Ready" is my favourite Genesis moment I still go for "Selling England" as the overall stronger album though.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Is the rest of Foxtrot as good as "Supper's Ready?"

"Watcher of the Skies" is a classic for sure

Hans Rott, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Foxtrot is probably gonna be my pick.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Even though "Supper's Ready" is my favourite Genesis moment I still go for "Selling England" as the overall stronger album though.

Geir, I may not agree with you on many things most of the time, but on this we might as well be conjoined brain twins.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link

the only weak part of "foxtrot" is "time table"

akm, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I like "Time Table". The weakest part of Foxtrot is bad "comedy" voices on "Get 'em Out by Friday".

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

See also: the twatting Slippermen.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link

"In Too Deep" is as slick and creepy as a Steely Dan song, every note falling into place with a kind of sickening predictability, and Phil Colilns turning into Michael McDonald for the falsetto bit.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 April 2007 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

"In Too Deep" has that annoying Yamaha CP which Tony Banks overused from the late 70s onwards.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 23 April 2007 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

bump

JN$OT, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:14 (sixteen years ago) link

So it's a draw between all three "canonical" choices then. :)

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Those two votes for "Calling All Stations" attempts were obvious attempts to vote for the worse. They failed, though, as "Calling All Stations" is considerably better than "We Can't Dance".

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:52 (sixteen years ago) link

666!
I voted Foxtrot, btw

marmotwolof, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I suggested that peeps vote "Calling All Stations" as the "I Hate Genesis" option. Surely to God that's the only reason anybody'd vote for it.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Hopefully nobody seriously picked "We Can't Dance" as his actual favourite. That album is sooooo much worse than anything else they've done.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 26 April 2007 09:49 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm surprised that trick didn't get any votes. well I guess maybe no-one thinks it's the best, but it's up there

akm, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I vote for the album with "Domino."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link

"Selling England" by a nose over "Foxtrot." Has anyone seen the greatest fake Genesis band in the universe, The Musical Box? I swear there's no way the Genesis reunion gigs, even if Gabriel were performing, could ever be half as good as those guys are.

ellaguru, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

My mate and his brother seen them loads. They say they are amazingly good.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

So, "All but Phil Collins with the singing" won!

Mark G, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I missed this but would have voted for Selling England. It's even more epic than Lamb Lies Down even though it's half as long. And epic in this case of course means good.

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Dance on a Volcano is such a jam its silly.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

^yes. the first pre-1980 Genesis I ever heard.

omg who the fuck voted for Calling All Stations.

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Foxtrot has always been my number one, but I got Nursery Cryme on CD and it's totally kicking my ass right now

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:41 (two years ago) link

so good. "Return of the Giant Hogweed" and "Musical Box" are my favorites

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link

how the fuck did CAS get more votes than Trick/Wind/Duke/Abacab?

akm, Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link

the same way "Fetus" won Nas's Lost Tapes poll

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link

honestly the only explanation I can come up with is Ray Wilson and a Ray Wilson sockpuppet

frogbs, Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link

A Trick Of The Tail didn't deserve zero votes - it's the only Collins-era album that I would hold up as a great album. Wind And Wuthering is pretty good but a lesser and uneven album to me.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link

Trick of the Tail was my third Genesis album (following Live: The Way We Walk, Part 1-The Shorts, and Abacab), and I loved it then and still love it now. "Dance on a Volcano" rules.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link

"Seven Stones" is the underrated track on Nursery Cryme, it's more compact and direct than the three epics, but more developed than the three shortest songs.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 22 October 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link

Seven Stones is hardly amazing but I reckon it's their finest mellotron moment

PaulTMA, Friday, 22 October 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link

Trick of the Tail is great but I suspect its one of those where it's a lot of people's 3rd or 4th favorite

frogbs, Friday, 22 October 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link

I suspect the Calling All Stations votes were bc of this:

Anybody who wants to choose "I don't like Genesis" could just vote for Calling All Stations featuring TV's Ray Winstone.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 22 October 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link

Seven Stones is hardly amazing but I reckon it's their finest mellotron moment

Better than the intro to Watcher of the Skies?

dinnerboat, Friday, 22 October 2021 15:34 (two years ago) link

ayeee

PaulTMA, Friday, 22 October 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link

It's not the most flashy Mellotron usage, but I love the flutes after the "Broadway Melody" reprise in "Lilywhite Lilith".

This thread starting me thinking about Genesis 1970-1974:

Best song: "Firth of Fifth" or "Cinema Show"
Worst song: "Counting Out Time" or "White Mountain"
Overrated songs: "The Knife", "Watcher of the Skies"
Underrated songs: "Dusk", "Seven Stones", "Time Table", "Hairless Heart"

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 22 October 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link

Clearly you are a fan of alliterative titles.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 October 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link

1970-74

Best Phil: Cinema Show
Best Mike: Fountain of Salmacis
Best Tony: Riding the Scree
Best PG: Back in NYC
Best Steve: Hogweed

dinnerboat, Friday, 22 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link

the long ending of "Cinema Show" is so nice, only thing that really reminds me of it is "Neon Lights" by Kraftwerk

frogbs, Friday, 22 October 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link

alliterative titles

Seems you're right! Yet I ignored "Carpet Crawlers".

Best Mike: Fountain of Salmacis

Never paid much conscious attention to the bass on this one, but I can call it up from memory and it is excellent.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 22 October 2021 19:10 (two years ago) link

Back In NYC is musically primarily a Mike song, just 15 years before The Living Years

PaulTMA, Friday, 22 October 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link

Every generation
Blames Mike Rutherford

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 October 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link

Always thought this was an inspired, ambitious cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubYDPqi6ht4

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 October 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link

Did Rutherford really write the music to Back in NYC? I didn't realize that, Id assumed it was a Gabriel composition because it doesn't really sound much like anything else Genesis were doing at that time (it's much more modern sounding) and Gabriel did perform it on his first few solo tours. It's my favorite Genesis track (just edging out Carpet Crawlers).

akm, Friday, 22 October 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link

I suspect the Calling All Stations votes were bc of this:

Anybody who wants to choose "I don't like Genesis" could just vote for Calling All Stations featuring TV's Ray Winstone.

― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 22 October 2021 15:57 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i've always assumed that's what those votes mean

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 October 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link

"Back in NYC", with the 12-string guitar over the pedal bass, is similar to "Squonk" on the next album, also mostly written by Rutherford

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 23 October 2021 02:46 (two years ago) link

The song originated from Mike for sure... The vocal melody is probably Peter's though. You can hear the similarity in this one from Mike's first solo album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weI6qSg9OOE

PaulTMA, Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link

very credible-sounding thread on Who Wrote What:
https://www.genesis-news.com/forum/index.php?thread/129-who-wrote-what/&pageNo=1

PaulTMA, Sunday, 24 October 2021 22:23 (two years ago) link


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