― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Surely you mean Idiocy.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Why is this surprising to you?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
RULES!
― DEEBZ (ddb), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
WTF
― DEEBZ (ddb), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
"she's got a cause"!!!
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 29 May 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link
6. What He Say
i've seen many countriesargue about human livesbut one thing that stays the same isthe clubs are always full at night
pick out any far-out placelike kenya or swazilanddoesn't matter what the placethey'll still be dancing to the band
(mumble mumble jumble)(garble warble farble)(mumble mumble jumble)(garble warble farble)(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?(garble warble farble)(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?(garble warble farble) let's dance!
say you've found a homeland? (move to it, move to it)say you've found a clubland? (get to it, get to it)now you've got a song? (groove to it, groove to it)got to find a partner (just get to it, get to it)
let's dance!
i've seen many a race of peopleargue many things beforebut there is one language thatgets you understood for sure
not a language of the mouthit's only for the feetgrab a russian by the handsand he will feel the needthat's right!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link
this redeems yer many stylistic transgressions, mr. miccio! :-)
several other thoughts: (a) amg's entry -- saying that this CD would surely be one of the favorites of ally sheedy in the breakfast club is 100 OTM%; (b) "cocaine [or is it heroin?] is one helluva drug;" (c) there are some rather interesting parallels b/w the ministry and depeche mode (both start out making lightweight yet likeable synth-pop, and get MUCH darker and nastier as they go on ["heroin is one helluva drug"]; (d) with sympathy is pretty similar to the tom tom club!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kodanshi, Monday, 24 October 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link
An audio recording of this show exists.
!!!!!!!!
and it looks like they did a fad gadget cover ("ricky's hand")!!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Words cannot express how much this statement creeps me the fuck out. How young are you?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link
this?
http://members.aol.com/NaylzIX/alain-3a.gif
or this?
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mode2001/on%20the%20shower.jpg
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
http://ministrymusic.org/mags/other/trouser-press-march-1983.jpg
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link
give me this over any ministry post 1992.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link
damn, can't find the work for love review from smash hits. it must've hit that great paper recycler a long time ago. damn.
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Alan, you mean. ;-)
Anyway, back to the flamin', funkin' Ministry.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link
A cougar is more like a kitten than it is like a velociraptor but that doesn't mean it would make an appropriate pet for a four-year-old.
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link
GOTHFIGHT!
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Alan, you mean.
Och! You're right. Wait, who is Martin Wilder?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link
He threatens to end Ministry with an industrial metal LP remake of With Sympathy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU6-uMVECRE
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 00:46 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij1GeZGxhds
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 00:52 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQay8SYPhU
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 00:58 (seven months ago) link
i posted this before but there was no response - with sympathy 2023 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYRCjN6oXgM
― stirmonster, Saturday, 23 September 2023 05:43 (seven months ago) link
i don't really follow al's life now and i know he has always said that he hated everything about that era/album but i wouldn't have been surprised if he had been playing those songs for years in the 21st century at casinos across the nation. better late than ever! twitch is my fave ministry album but in 1983 with sympathy was on my hit parade in a big way.
it takes him a while to get going but there is some good info in that long interview. i like that arista didn't want to have anything to do with some of his biggest songs. wax trax won big there. and then to hear how different things got in that 1986 interview. sire won big there.
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 13:20 (seven months ago) link
I've always found the love for this record to be a mystery. I mean, it's...fine, as early '80s New Wave synth-funk goes, but everybody else (Human League, Wang Chung) did it better. Tell me you can listen to "I Wanted to Tell Her" without wishing you were listening to "(Keep Feeling) Fascination" instead. You're bullshittin'.
I'm more interested in the photo of Al laughing and smiling with Paul Barker from a few days ago than in the continual attempts to retcon this record (which retconning Al has finally decided to participate in, because if nothing else, the guy can smell a buck in someone's pocket from six blocks away). I like the photo because Al is all bandana and dreads and face tattoos and Paul looks like a college professor.
― read-only (unperson), Saturday, 23 September 2023 13:50 (seven months ago) link
he's a little slow if he can smell a buck. people have been begging to hear these songs for years.
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:34 (seven months ago) link
i mean he has to go see a with sympathy cover band to realize that people love those songs?
as far as why people love that album? nostalgia. and they have been new wave disco crowd pleasers since 1983. people are not craving wang chung at goth nite at clubs in the middle of nowhere in the 21st century.
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:37 (seven months ago) link
its not like you can't listen to human league AND ministry. no need to choose. i've been listening to both for 40+ years.
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:38 (seven months ago) link
nice t-shirt for Montana residents...
https://ministryofficial.store/product/25500/goddamn-white-trash-t-shirt-black
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:47 (seven months ago) link
Wang Chung. Really?
― stirmonster, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:48 (seven months ago) link
tempted to get a Twitch shirt...
― scott seward, Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:48 (seven months ago) link
i have one.
i think side 1 of with Sympathy is up there for me with any early '80s New Wave synth stuff.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 23 September 2023 21:16 (seven months ago) link
i totally love wang chung (i tell you 'ti na na' is such a fucking jam), but there's no way they're better than 'with sympathy', there's a funkiness to it on stuff like 'work for love' that not much other synthpop ever comes close to
― NickB, Saturday, 23 September 2023 21:40 (seven months ago) link
i only really know the hits and their To Live and Die in L.A. soundtrack which i really dislike.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 23 September 2023 23:23 (seven months ago) link
Haha, well I do like a lot of awful old shite tbf
― NickB, Sunday, 24 September 2023 04:25 (seven months ago) link
i had never knowingly heard 'ti na na' before. i dig it!
― stirmonster, Sunday, 24 September 2023 08:04 (seven months ago) link
i think i missed an oxford comma here, or something. i like the hits but dislike the soundtrack.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 24 September 2023 08:06 (seven months ago) link
from that interview above, looks like Al is really making it all up as he goes - i do not believe a single word of his recollection of the period
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 25 September 2023 09:02 (six months ago) link
After only having heard Psalm and Dark Side Of The Spoon, I've been dipping in and out of the rest of Ministry's catalogue recently. Listening to the much-maligned Filth Pig right now and.... uh, what's wrong with this? It's kinda great? And not really as huge a departure from the Psalm 69 sound really. I'm pretty into it I must say
― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 09:08 (six months ago) link
I hope he renames it With Shrimpathy or something. That would be the most Ministry thing to do.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 09:31 (six months ago) link
Haha
― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 09:32 (six months ago) link
or With Syphilis.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 11:12 (six months ago) link
I haven’t tried to listen to Filth Pig in about 20 years but I also hated Psalm 69 so I don’t expect to find much to enjoy
― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:21 (six months ago) link
filth pig is fine. probably the last one you need to hear? always liked the dylan cover.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:28 (six months ago) link
The difference is that Psalm 69 was great and filth pig is shite. The fact that it might still be better than what came after, shows how low they sunk after the amazing run of Twitch to Psalm 69.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:28 (six months ago) link
when filth pig came out i was living with a girlfriend who had an ex-roommate who didn't have a phone so people would call for her at our apartment. one of those people was Al. my girlfriend's friend was a very very big, uh, music fan. when she was younger she had followed Nelson around the country and then later...Collective Soul. we had fun listening to Al's unintelligible phone messages.
#this90smoment
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:34 (six months ago) link
This morning's listening confirms Dark Side Of The Spoon is a lot worse than Filth Pig
― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:47 (six months ago) link
I've never understood what everyone's problem is with Filth Pig either. OK I do if you didn't like Psalm 69.
I've only listened to 3 post-Filth Pig albums and while none of them are great or even good, they all have a couple of songs I like on them.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:55 (six months ago) link
Yeah, sounds great to me. Maybe it just wasn't right for the time?
― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 13:16 (six months ago) link
I cannot work out whether this contemporaneous review is delighted or damning https://metalinjection.net/editorials/25-years-ago-today-ministry-released-filth-pig
― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 13:57 (six months ago) link
never cared for anything much after "the mind is a terrible thing..." though Jesus Built My Hotrod was fun.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:43 (six months ago) link