why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

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I can try, guy upthread. It's late in the great plains. There are many threads with new answers. Many of these new answers seem to involve Yes references. In the daytime this doesn't happen. The question is is this some strange phenomenon? What are its roots? Should something be done about it? Or should it just go on? I think it should. But am I wrong? Why? That is the question.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

grew up listening. damn, why I have been doing that dropping words thing so much lately??

Yes fans jonesing for more YESSOUNDS should totally check out those two latter-day Os Mutantes LPs, by the way. When they got all progged-out. Total Yes homages.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Pleasant Plains, one down one to go, another town and one more show.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Or to put it another way. Say I'm a veteran ILMer. "I think I'm appalled by these shenanigans. Yes. . . . No!" Is this an ILM death knell? That would be an interesting meta-discussion that will not occur.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh. See, I haven't EVER listened to a Yes song before (exception proving rule would be "Owner of a Lonely Heart" which I rather like) so all that's been going right over my head.

I thought "yessed out" was some sort of cockney slang for "sucking it's own dick" or somethin'.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

a few days ago, i felt like that dude in the "owner of a lonely heart" video when he was on the rooftop surrounded by the oh-so menacing members of yes (circa '84, so no rick wakeman [the ONLY vaguely scary member of yes EVAH]).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Forksclove, you should ditch the indie rock and pick up The Yes Album and Fragile toot sweet. Two of the finest albums on God's green, sticky, hydroponic earth.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

ME OTM, though that's not where the goodness stops by any means.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon Anderson could potentially be scary in an evil elf-leprechaun sort of way.

Your mention of the "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" video reminded me there was one version that had a guy with maggots crawling around on top of his closed eyelids. Did "Fear Factor" rip off this idea? I think MTV stopped showing that version.

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of the raincoats cds (er, on another thread tonight), those os mutantes reissues on omplattern are now OOP and worth $$$$. i actually parted with mine at some point, for reasons i don't quite understand.

i love yes. sometimes i'll be walking around and suddenly a bass line from some yes song will pop into my head and i'll be all excited.

would that ilm actually were a bit more yessed out.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm. Well I'll certainly give it a run. Anybody who wants to mail a representative single or two is welcome to.

One of my (many) large gaps of musical knowledge is rock of any variety from 1970-1985 or so.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all about "Tempus Fugit" for me, man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The really technical part of "Heart of the Sunrise" is killer.

Wobbly, if you're out there, tell your Jon Anderson at NAMM story . . .

best

Drew

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

actually I'm all tulled out tonight.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link


Was this NAMM in Anaheim in like 96? At one of those shows I heard rumors that Jon Anderson was there and I was pissed that I never saw him. But for all I know he goes to all of them...

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I guess he's not so here's his story of spotting Jon Anderson at NAMM

at a booth that sells vocoder software there is a man earnestly saying in a silvery, elven speaking voice reminiscent of Glinda the Good Witch "no, no, NO, you don't understand. I want to make my computer-" and here he erupts into a shivery high melodious flutter "s-i-i-iing!" and it's HIM and he's singing the word "sing" in THAT Yes voice.

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh my god, Drew -- that story is amazing! I think I would die on the spot. Such a voice.

What is NAMM, anyway?

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The biggest US musical instrument trade fair.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't is just late at night in the US the Brits arrive, and drive the whole thing stupid?

___ (___), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
REVIVE!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks Eisbar, I loved this thread.

I just watched some of that DVD "The Future Is Wild", the cheezy computer animated forecast of what freakish species will dominate this planet in 200 million years. It was very Yessed out too, CGI supercontinent-formation footage and giant global oceans (topographic tales of .. .)

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

um, i was just listening to the following yessed out record:

http://stat.discogs.com/R/262506-1103102672.jpg

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

does not matter!

Olias of Sunhillow Critical Edition, with commentary track guest starring the 'scientists' from The Future Is Wild

sharkopath (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

maybe a little like the trevor horn yes (or maybe i just wish it sounded more like trevor horn yes).

it's basically arp-heavy metronomic 1978 eurosynth cheese.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

This should have said "North America" to include sundar.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i still have yet to consciously hear a yes song

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

not purposefully or anything, i mean, i'd like to hear a yessong i guess

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

ahh, side A of 'close to the edge' has really been doing it for me lately. i love all those drum fills that go right through the first ONE beat and splash back in somewhere in the middle of the bar. anothe reason of why i like it so much is because it kind of reminds of this local band here called form of rocket that does similar type things (fast, frenetic parts / churning, odd time signatures / that drum fill thing)

6335, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

I always see a Dean landscape, or some Art Nouveau P. Craig Russell planet landscape whenever I listen to Yes. Except for Yes mach-90125 and onward.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, my posts on this thread from last week got deleted :(

I guess the only interesting thing in them was that apparently Eddie Jobson was in the "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" video. They tried to edit him out when he ended up not being in the band, but couldn't do it completely. The edits are one reason why the "plot" is so hard to follow.

wetmink (wetmink), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

it got swallowed up in the great 2004 ILM purgee/eraXor, but here's the link to the long-form video for "owner of a lonely heart," on the director's webpage.

and yes, there ARE maggots on the dude's eyes.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 December 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I get up! I get down...

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 27 December 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
ok, last lame-o thread revival for the night ... because I am going to bed.

BUT! just guess what my classic rock station is playing right now on their so-called DEEP CUT weekedn at this ungodly hour ...

yup, STARSHIP TROOPER!!

good god what a tune.

and i'm out

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 13 March 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
OK, i just got tormato. and yes, it IS as bad as its reputation. e.g., "arriving ufo" is one of the GAYEST, TWEEIST songs EVAH -- did someone slip some angel dust in rick wakeman's beer, or what?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 26 August 2005 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

and where IS drew daniel these days, anyway?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 26 August 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Tormato is rough going. But you need to hear the demos Yes made with Roy Thomas Baker right before Anderson & Wakeman quit. Other than "Run Through The Light" they make Tormato sound positively macho.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Hey dudes, Relayer is only three bucks on itunes.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

what a fucking awesome thread.

I found my mint LP copy of Relayer for a dollar in a used bin.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Hipsters!

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 20 January 2007 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hi, I'm Patrick Moraz, cuz I get More Ass. I'm a continental type with really high hair. I hope you enjoy my noodly jazz prog."

http://www.drjazz.ch/album/bilder/Moraz30.jpg

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 20 January 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

nine months pass...

damn, and i'm not even close to being drunk tonight!!

Eisbaer, Sunday, 21 October 2007 06:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm yessed out on poppy pod tea and I just played guitar for an hour. Yes!

trashthumb, Sunday, 21 October 2007 06:41 (sixteen years ago) link

karaoke, yes-style!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwoE9r11a-c

gershy, Sunday, 21 October 2007 07:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh dear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlgH7Oec__s

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 21 October 2007 07:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Nothing succeeds like excess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMF1-OEZYBE

Watching Bruford in that clip makes me think of the story (perhaps apocryphal) of the Genesis tour he was on when he'd get bored and start playing different beats just to screw things up.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 21 October 2007 07:22 (sixteen years ago) link

DIG IT! (the "it" being really bad stock footage, apparently)

as much shit as tormato gets, i do like squire's bass sound on that
and wtf with wakeman's synths? the birotron - cheesy to the max
xpost

gershy, Sunday, 21 October 2007 07:23 (sixteen years ago) link

here's a fun prog DJ moment - there's a bit in Fermented Hours by Wobbler which imitates the big church organ middle section in Close to the Edge. I stitched em together and some old guy at the bar said "oh NOW we're talkin"

frogbs, Saturday, 23 March 2024 03:33 (three weeks ago) link

Old guy at the bar otm

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 23 March 2024 03:56 (three weeks ago) link

The 1994 album Talk, out of print forever because it was on an indie label that went out of business basically the week the record was released, is being reissued soon, both on its own and as a 4CD box also containing a disc of outtakes and a complete live concert from 1994.

I ranked it pretty high (#12 out of 33) when I reviewed all their albums for Stereogum in 2015; here's what I said:

The final album by the version of Yes that made 90125, Big Generator, and contributed to Union, Talk is actually a better-than-decent melodic rock record for much of its running time. Guitarist Trevor Rabin unplugs some of his pedals and sounds more like Steve Howe than he ever has; the songs are straightforward, but don't seem as cravenly aimed at the radio as they were on Union. Indeed, this was the record on which Jon Anderson and Trevor Rabin finally started to work well together, each man's vision for the group fitting together with the other's. In some ways, the album recalls Rush's Counterparts -- a veteran band exploring modern ideas, in a somewhat stripped-down way, without losing their grip on their own identities. The final track, "The Endless Dream," is where Talk becomes essential listening for serious Yes fans, though. It runs nearly 16 minutes, and perfectly bridges the gap between their 1970s glory years and their poppier work of the '80s and '90s. It's got the epic sweep and meditative beauty of Close To The Edge, with occasional outbursts of high-tech energy and some atmospheric yet aggressive guitar from Rabin.

This was the first Yes album not to appear on a major label -- after two decades with Atco, they shifted to Arista for Union, but Talk was released on the comparatively tiny Victory Music imprint, which went bankrupt soon after, sending it out of print. So it's kind of the "forgotten" Yes album. Too bad, since it's their best 1990s release.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 25 March 2024 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

that's cool, definitely one I think I need to revisit - my recollection is that it sounds like Yes with Trevor Rabin, as opposed to 90125 and Big Generator which are more like Trevor Rabin with Yes. I do remember the songs being good but mostly too long. But I still listen to "Where Will You Be?" a lot, its such a pretty song, exactly what I hoped Jon's solo records would sound like (and maybe they do, I only really know Olias). interested in the live stuff as well, I actually have no clue what this version of the band sounded like live

also nice it's coming out on vinyl, for some reason copies of this are very expensive, must not have been a lot pressed. original edition was a single LP which is pretty ambitious for a 55 minute album. might actually be the only Yes studio album that's difficult to get on wax. I thought Union might be too but it's not really. though it was also originally pressed as a single LP and this one's 60 minutes. that's getting into Todd Rundgren territory. maybe they didn't think anyone would actually listen to it.

frogbs, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:07 (three weeks ago) link

this is a bewildering release to me, I can't imagine there is much if any demand for it beyond the vinyl. But I hate this album, I think this and Open Your Eyes are their absolute nadir (until Heaven and Earth); some of this is circumstantial, as I first heard it while working a contract job for 3 months for these two guys who were absolute assholes with shit music taste, and one of them would play this album first thing in the morning in our basically empty office at ear-splitting volume.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:15 (three weeks ago) link

I don't know if there's demand for anything anymore, but considering how long it's been out of print, I'm sure there's a subset of Yes fans who'll be thrilled to own a copy. I listened to it again yesterday and my original opinion holds up — I'm into it. Had it been force-fed to me at the time, I could easily see turning against it, though.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:21 (three weeks ago) link

Never heard this one. I bet True Yes Fans took one look at the new logo and fainted.
I wonder if this means that Tin Machine II, also a victim of Victory Music, will return sometime soon.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:33 (three weeks ago) link

tin machine 2 got a vinyl reissue a few years back somehow.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:50 (three weeks ago) link

anyway, reading on wiki again about the recording of Talk is kind of a trip as it was tracked to like, Mac SEs or something, with software that was being written at the time. They needed 27 mics to capture the drums and it wound up taking up 34GB of uncompressed space which is something, considering everything was stored on dynatec hard drives which were like, 8 GB and probably cost a trillion dollars. Early digital recording like this sounds like more hassle than it was worth.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:57 (three weeks ago) link

three weeks pass...

“So the story goes…”

calstars, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 02:35 (three days ago) link

listens to leave it

calstars, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 02:40 (three days ago) link

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71B9r8ZqkbL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

im reading this book and its so weird and nerdy i kind of love it - but album still sucks

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 07:15 (three days ago) link

Kevin Mulryne's YES podcasts are great, nerdy fun to listen to.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 09:19 (three days ago) link

I've come around to a lot of Tormato, but the album sounds fucking awful.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:27 (three days ago) link

sucks bcz oliver's dad was very reinstated 👎🏽

mark s, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:36 (three days ago) link

yes i am still salty abt how moraz was treated lol

mark s, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:37 (three days ago) link

Didn’t know about the Mulryne podcast but nearly jumped through the roof seeing that there’s an 8 part episode on Tales From Topographic Oceans which is a top 10 of all time for me — but then whoever starts talking about 15 minutes in about the progression from Close to the Edge to Awaken starts going on and on about how he can’t remember a single note from The Remembering and how awful Steve’s guitar sounds on The Ancient and I barely stopped myself from jumping inside my car stereo and letting him know how wrong he is (close call). For one, I feel like The Remembering is probably the poppiest moment on the album (definitely the most vocal heavy) and Steve’s sliding around on The Ancient is one of the coolest bits on the album (esp in relation to the background music he’s sliding over).

I thought I was about to jump into a bunch of TFTO heads really dissecting the album but they all seem to be of the consensus that sides 1 and 4 are the only necessary parts which makes it surprising that this is the first Yes album they decided to tackle in depth.

Slim is an Alien, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:51 (three days ago) link

interested in the Tormato book though lol @ "You'll never hear the album in the same way again!"...do people actually listen to this album often? the condition of the many, many used copies that come into the local shop suggests they don't. though I admit I actually like the weird-as-shit "Arriving UFO"

yes i am still salty abt how moraz was treated lol

really an all-time weird career, I mean his work on Relayer is great, the Refugee album (which I think he wrote the vast majority of) totally rules, and his first solo album is nice...but idk if anything he did after that is worthwhile, after 1976 he's primarily known as the guy who tried to sue the Moody Blues and probably should've won

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:57 (three days ago) link

"You'll never hear the album in the same way again!"

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:18 (three days ago) link

the bit on "The Remembering" where Howe revs up and Jon starts singing "Relayer, all the dying cried before you" is one of my favorite moments in the entire Yes catalogue

do agree the music is a bit bare though, one of those things where they decided to make a bunch of longform tunes without having a whole lot of ideas for them, as opposed to the best prog epics which sound like they had too many ideas and things just spiraled out of control into these amazing semi-cohesive pieces

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:26 (three days ago) link

To me the “:..and I do feel very well” thing on The Remembering is like the catchiest part of their entire catalog, I don’t even like thinking about it because now I’ll probably be singing it in my head the rest of the day.

I’ve never really understood the prevailing sentiment that the album is padded but I do plan to listen to these other 7 episodes to hopefully at least get a sense of what parts people consider those to be (more specifically than sides 2 & 3 as a whole).

Slim is an Alien, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:29 (three days ago) link

moraz claims he wrote like half of going for the one also (which is trufax why it’s good not bad)

meanwhile wakeman on topographic: " 'I don't want to do this free-form jazz" lol why not back to practicing yr scales, fatfinger boy, then you don't fuck them up so often

free-form jazz, what a fkn useless dullard you are rick

mark s, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:01 (three days ago) link

mark s hatred for Wakeman is the fire that keeps this thread alive

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:34 (three days ago) link

Is anyone prepared to mount a defence of Rick Wakeman's solo career? I'm not, but maybe there's someone in here who will.

the scouse that roared (Matt #2), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:47 (three days ago) link

It was as successful as Yes' and I think even outsold then at one point

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:56 (three days ago) link

I like Six Wives and thought Criminal Record was quite good (plus, it's kind of a successful triple entendre, if you believe Wakeman should've gone to jail for making it), the other solo albums I have of his are pretty boring, though I'm curious what some of the later ones sound like

not really sure how to reconcile Wakeman's reputation as the one beer-drinking, meat-eating member of the band with whom you could actually hang out with and have a good time with the fact that he did all this King Arthur on Ice shit

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:58 (three days ago) link

maybe cuz he hung out and recorded with bowie and sabbath? the only ones out of the 10000 dudes who've played in this band as rock star social as wakeman are buford (it's astonishing the same guy drummed for yes, crimson, and genesis!), alan "plastic one band" white, and trevor horn

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:59 (three days ago) link

I vaguely recall reading an interview with the producer of Union where he was like "They were constantly bickering and couldn't physically be in the same room as each other and it got to the point where I had to write most of the music myself. I was a big Yes fan and now hated their guts. Alan White was cool though."

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:04 (three days ago) link

(it's astonishing the same guy drummed for yes, crimson, and genesis!)

And Gong, though nothing was ever released officially (there might be live boots).

nickn, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:08 (three days ago) link

Wakeman is all-time you philistines however most of his solo stuff is dreck. I do love Henry VIII and enjoy Criminal Record but his choice in singers is awful. That Ashley-whatever guy bellowing on those early joints...jeezuz.

I like Moraz and Bruford's "Flags" from '85 or something but someone needed to keep Pat away from the pitch bend controller during the Yes days.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:32 (three days ago) link

xpost to Slim - there's one guy on that podcast who has cloth ears. I think he's Canadian? Says some really dopey stuff.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:34 (three days ago) link

Not that being Canadian has anything to do with his listening skills.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:35 (three days ago) link


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