basic channel/maurizio/chain reaction, s&d

been listening to a LOT of Hallucinator recently. chain reaction is such a treasure trove.

anyone have any particular hallucinator recommendations?

also, anyone know of good online vendors who sell a lot of this stuff? (records/cds, not mp3s)

Forced Exposure's pretty good on BC/CR stuff. The stuff that's in print anyway.

"Magenta" still floors me every time I hear it. And def search Rhythm & Sound's "Trace/Imprint" 12" as well

and jesus, get all the quadrant stuff. fuckin sick.

mark you'd be wanting this: http://hardwax.com/basic-channel/

Ah get all of it! It all sounds the same anyway! But if you see the above, etc.

these guys just had a showcase on this stuff

http://hypnotic-breaks.blogspot.com/

s: basic channel t-shirt

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s: basic channel t-shirt

-- haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 05:23

if i saw someone in a basic channel t shirt, i'd give them a little nod and then maybe they'd nod back or grin like "'sup".

is that site giving away entire EPs (indeed, practically entire catalogues)? if so, that's pretty fucked.

they're sort of working off the same idea as Discogs Report, but with even more downloads of more stuff.

which is pretty fucked.

also pretty fucked: i was going to do a little thing on the basic channel family on my blog. now i have to stick to chain reaction stuff.

i'm all in favour of music blogs posting up some digitized old vinyl that's been out of print for 10 years or whatever but this is all still available to buy, isn't it?

and given that the only way to download all that is to give rapidshare some money this is like, illegal x100000 - also i hate rapidshare, have i mentioned that?

@_@

i be like damn

new model 500! cool!

that deepchord album (coldest season) is probably the best electronic lp from this year

Yeah, but the echospace stuff like vahid linked above pisses me off with it's extremely limited availability. I haven't been able to get any of them yet and I've wanted them all. Still haven't even heard a rip of the CV313 and I need to!

Well I guess I should've looked at the blog Jena linked above. They're all there. But I still want the vinyl! And I agree with the others, giving away readily available releases in their entirety just pisses me off.

next time you feel stupid for wasting time arguing on ILX, consider that some people address their need for attention by stealing music and posting it on the internet

wow i just clicked over to that blog! a mint original pressing of the quadrant ep on r&s is going for 50 euros on discogs..

i have slowly been collecting all of the basic channel releases from hardwax (on fat colored vinyl even)

hong kong by monolake is going for 100 euros in the metal tin

someone paid $30 for *JUST THE CD* on ebay last month

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

I feel bad for posting that link now :/ I've got about 15-20 of blogs like this in my bookmarks, and I'm not even really looking.

the dude who sold "just the CD" = first case of the metal tin breaking the metal tin

i liek 2 downlode

are the echospace 12"s different from the cd's tracks in any way?

Something I read seemed to suggest that the cd tracks were actually extended versions (or maybe different mixes) of the 12" tracks in certain cases.

Got the Scion "Arrange and Process" in the mail yesterday. Overall it's more upbeat techno than expected, but it sounds great. So far it seems BCD1 is a deeper listen, and wish the vinyl series was available on CD or official download.

those echospace detroit releases aren't particularly limited. they keep on repressing them. they are, however, ridiculously expensive.

i sold my monolake metal tin for in excess of $80 last year. it's getting reissued so get on it.

wish the vinyl series was available on CD or official download.

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the vinyl series mp3 rips i've heard on soulseek are horrendous quality

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Yeah, I've seen the blog link upthread but the old-fashioned warm fuzzy feeling of supporting the artists really adds to my enjoyment of the music.

i LOVE that arrange & process record. at first i wasn't so into it, but i came to it over time.

the vinyl series mp3 rips i've heard on soulseek are horrendous quality

-- resolved, Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:01 AM (21 minutes ago)

i must have the good rips then :_)

who knows, i'm comparing to how the records sound through an ok stereo so it's never going to be a fair contest. real master-sourced mp3s would be so much better but i highly doubt it's ever going to happen.

"sound quality" is sorta missing the point w/r/t basic channel, no?

way xpost

You know I just saw that the cv313 echospace was re-pressed resolved. I'll definitely try to get one of those, but it's kinda weird they're doing that after all the talk of these limited pressings.

xp, i always thought the point was a kind of hi-fi lossiness. you are gonna lose the hiss with compression!

no i don't think saying vinyl rips of basic channel aren't up to scratch is missing the point. obviously the series is imperfect sounding but it's a calculated imperfection, widescreened and bassy -- both of which are lacking from VINYL RIPPED 192 mp3s. although clearly they're far better than nothing if you don't want to buy a turntable/all the records.

it all depends on the 12" anyway. if you're saying superior sound quality doesn't add any extra value to eg bc04 we'll have to agree to disagree.

well, i know that the original pressing of round two sounded like utter crap and not on purpose. and there was sand or dirt on the stamper for the repress of lyot reshape. i don't think the poor sound quality was always calculated.

but you are right about them wanting to sound imperfect. the best description i ever heard of their sound was "like hearing a dope warehouse rave from a couple blocks away"

isn’t that “the other rhythm and sound stuff” mixed together?

omg irritating ilx0r “pipecock” commented on that discogs page.

that's the comp i've listened to over and over again, it's unmixed.

the "see mi yah" remixes are really good

isn’t that “the other rhythm and sound stuff” mixed together?

well “not like it at all” is too strong, but it’s a different vibe 😎

omg irritating ilx0r “pipecock” commented on that discogs page.

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haha yeah and he's just as pompous and annoying there as he was on ILM

that is his brand

my favorite r&s is the mango drive remix, really versatile piece of dub techhno not quite like anything else and quite good for “switching the vibe”

i also like the tikiman showcase cd a lot, but overall tend to agree with jordan that the r&s stuff is a bit too montonous.

not sure the later stuff makes me want to put on a scientist record - imo it’s closer to something like early demdike stare, i really think of it as a sort of dark ambient pretending to be / built on top of dub techno

“later” was the wrong term, i mean the r&s stuff after mango drive and showcase (mid period?)

the later stuff i guess is really the second set of burial mix releases (see mi yah, king in my empire etc) which i think are really great in their own way, which is not so much a dub techno way but more of an effort to make a good background for the vocalists that is also compatible with electronic music but is not some sort of laswellian frankenstein

laswellian frankenstein

haha love this

I love Roll Off / B so much. vast broken sheared off flotsam, the size of planets, meeting, rebounding, complaining, reconciling, breaking apart, recombining

dark ambient on top o dub techno is otm for that stuff. it's pure mood music set to all dark colors.

Listened to a bunch of R&S today including that comp and I do like the instrumental stuff more, even though the vocalists are great in their own right.

I still think that the more it leans into dub reggae tropes (skanking organ chords, basslines, cross-sticks) the weaker it gets. But the Demdike Stare and dark ambient references make sense to me, I love all the weird surface noise loops. Also still think it's more effective when they apply dub techniques to different vocabularies, although I bet the R&S records sound crazy on a soundsystem.

browsing through this thread and the ra piece and thinking i’d never listened to any of this congeries of dub and techno i realised (listening to it now) that i actually *bought* the rhythm and sound tikiman showcase comp when it came out. it never really blew me away at the time but it’s v nice to revisit.

idk, the vocal r&s stuff on decent speakers at a decent volume achieves a level of absolutely monumental dread that i find undeniable, it really casts a spell that is sustained by the repetition and minimalism, dub tropes don't detract from that for me because it is dub music. the see mi yah remixes are good, but they're something totally different

yeah i was going to say … imo a close listen of the see mi yah remixes tells you more about the remixers than it does about r&s

and i agree with karl. the burial mix stuff is not just influenced by reggae, it IS reggae

of course the remixes tell you more about the remixers than r&s! they take the minimalism and turn it into dance music. soundstream one is so enjoyably bouncy.

i don't hear dread in either "king in my empire" or "queen in my empire", i hear spiritual triumph and jubilation. not sure which of the other vocal tracks might feel more dread-y. but reading back what you said, i get you on the volume and the singular presence of the sound, it's very powerful.

It's a me thing, once you really get into dub territory I miss all the beautiful & detailed drumming (and bass playing) that's as much a part of the appeal for me as the dub mixing. But I know this has its own thing, it's cool.

i feel you on liking 'actual' dub more than these records tbr

the dread is in the suffocatingly thick prescence of the sound, the power comes from how methodically it rolls out and sets a scene that stays still as it moves. in 'king in my empire' the lyrics describe the whole world in jah's hand but the vocals don't rejoice, they leer and promise a comeuppance, 'i'm like a burning fire, leave me you old vampire'

damn, nice read. there is definitely comeuppance in it. i love that track to pieces. campbell is so amazing on it.

i feel like the vocal versions of the see mi yah riddim are generally more "dread" than the king in my empire version

i forget exactly which it is but one of the remixes is really sparse and scary. maybe the sleeparchive "dem never know" mix?

the one about the lover cheating with the best friend, i can't remember the title, that one i remember feeling spooky, a little like a ghost story.

the carl craig "poor people must work" is pretty haunting imo.

that carl craig remix is stunning and eerie, also love the sleeparchive. despite both being dated by some clicky 00's percussion, that might just be my hangup though

yeah pretty much all of those remixes sound a little dated tbf

back in style in five years, when mnml revival happens

i'm fine with that just please no clicks this time

how about some roland hand claps?

eternal

Definitely get that sense of dread from Rod of Iron’s vocals on Lightning Storm

I think Pole is the closest comparison to sound the Basic Channel guys achieved with R&S, but even more faded, degraded and glitchy.

the dubplates & mastering-centered group of the time