Come anticipate David Fincher's "Zodiac"

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This is actually the second movie made from Graysmith's book. This is the first

I don't doubt that this movie will be better, but it'll have as much to do with the actual Zodiac case as the Black Dahlia movie does.

(looking forward to this too!)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw the trailer at Casino Royale, looks good.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

this didn't even register on my radar with 'the black dahlia' coming out, but now i want to see it even if it's only to wash the taste of that steaming pile out of my mouth.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link

bet it won't be as good as the zodiac killer

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it me or does Jake look more cleancut and contemporary than his costars?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

downey looks awesome, really seedy. jake looks and sounds like he wandered in out of a wes anderson movie.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Which is probably the point.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

ive been waiting for a remake of all the presidents men, i just wasnt expecting one with serial killers in frisco

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

this looks good! or at least watchable. i love a good dramatization of real-life unsolved horrible event!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

this didn't even register on my radar with 'the black dahlia' coming out, but now i want to see it even if it's only to wash the taste of that steaming pile out of my mouth.

Damn straight. I nearly slashed the screen while I was watching the Black Dahlia. What a complete waste of time. :-(

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
I saw the trailer last night.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...


Shades of Stanley Kubrick!



Lights, Bogeyman, Action
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER


NEW ORLEANS

DAVID FINCHER, impolitic as ever, is ridiculing the notes he’s been getting from the studio executives overseeing his latest film, “Zodiac.”

“ ‘It’s easy to get lost in all the details,’ ” he intones, reading their critique of one scene from his laptop. “ ‘Are there any trims you could make here to cut down on the information and focus it even more’ ” on two main characters?

“I love this,” Mr. Fincher says, leaving no doubt as to his sarcasm. “It’s this weird shell game where they go, ‘Can you focus it more on the people by making it be less of them?’ And of course what it really gets down to is that they want me to audition their cuts to them.”

But he won’t. Instead, he says, “you just rope-a-dope.”

That same uncompromising attitude extended to his relationship with the cast, led by Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey Jr. and Jake Gyllenhaal, who endured multiple takes of 70 shots and beyond. Mr. Downey affectionately called him a disciplinarian, while Mr. Gyllenhaal, saying that as a director he “paints with people,” added, “It’s tough to be a color.”

At 44, Mr. Fincher remains Hollywood’s reigning bad-boy auteur, and his impatience with meddling has become as famous as his tendency to test his actors’ patience, stamina and preparation. But not as famous as his films, the most celebrated among them “Se7en,” the 1995 thriller that grossed $350 million worldwide, and “Fight Club,” his over-the-top answer to young male anomie.

After five years of withdrawing from one project after another, Mr. Fincher will present “Zodiac,” about the serial killer who terrorized San Francisco in the late 70s, on March 2. Then, in 2008, comes “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button,” the screenwriter Eric Roth’s epic reimagining of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s story about a man who ages in reverse. (Of more interest to some fans, “Benjamin Button” will reunite him with the star of “Se7en” and “Fight Club,” Brad Pitt, and amounts to a sharp turn for Mr. Fincher into romanticism.)

To trim “Zodiac” to just over two and a half hours, Mr. Fincher said he had to make painful cuts. Gone, for example, is a two-minute blackout over a montage of hit songs signaling the passage of time from Joni Mitchell to Donna Summer; in its place, artless but quick and cheap, are the words “Four years later.”

Mr. Fincher has always been outspoken, but if he takes this movie a little more personally, there’s a reason: For him, the Zodiac murderer, who terrorized the Bay Area and was never caught, isn’t just any old serial-killer story.

Raised in Marin County, Mr. Fincher was only 7 when the area was seized with fear in 1969. “I remember coming home and saying the highway patrol had been following our school buses for a couple weeks now,” he recalled in December in an interview in New Orleans, where he was editing “Zodiac” while filming “Benjamin Button.” “And my dad, who worked from home, and who was very dry, not one to soft-pedal things, turned slowly in his chair and said: ‘Oh yeah. There’s a serial killer who has killed four or five people, who calls himself Zodiac, who’s threatened to take a high-powered rifle and shoot out the tires of a school bus, and then shoot the children as they come off the bus.’ ”

“I was, like, ‘You could drive us to school,’ ” he recalled thinking.

It was that same sense that initially drew him to “Se7en,” he said: the fearsome power of the stranger among us. “That’s what Zodiac was for a 7-year-old growing up in San Anselmo. He was the ultimate bogeyman.”

“People ask me, ‘When are you going to make your ‘Amarcord?’ ” Mr. Fincher added, with a little laugh at the comparison to Fellini’s autobiographical tour-de-force. For now, he said, “It’ll have to be ‘Zodiac.’ ”

Much has been made of Mr. Fincher’s “dark eye,” his gloomy palette and dim view of human nature, as seen not just in his hits but in his lesser films “The Game” and “Panic Room.” And he’s had a reputation for cutting-edge special effects and innovative camerawork since, at 22, he directed his first commercial, for the American Cancer Society, featuring a fetus smoking a cigarette in utero, an ad that led to an early career as a top music-video director.

But the source of his dark-hued lens on life, Mr. Fincher suggested, might be as simple as that original bogeyman. “It was a very interesting and weird time to grow up, and incredibly evocative,” he said. “I have a handful of friends who were from Marin County at the same time, the same age group, and they’re all very kind of sinister, dark, sardonic people. And I wonder if Zodiac had something to do with that.”

Mr. Fincher was first approached about “Zodiac” by Brad Fischer, a producer at Phoenix Pictures, with a script by James Vanderbilt. It was based on two books by Robert Graysmith, a former San Francisco Chronicle cartoonist who became obsessed with the Zodiac, and who built a case against one suspect, now dead. Mr. Fincher said he wanted Mr. Vanderbilt to overhaul the script, but wanted first to dig into the original police sources. So director, writer and producer spent months interviewing witnesses, investigators and the case’s only two surviving victims, and poring over reams of documents.

“I said I won’t use anything in this book that we don’t have a police report for,” Mr. Fincher said. “There’s an enormous amount of hearsay in any circumstantial case, and I wanted to look some of these people in the eye and see if I believed them. It was an extremely difficult thing to make a movie that posthumously convicts somebody.”

Mr. Graysmith said Mr. Fincher’s team found evidence that investigators had missed. “He outdid the police,” Mr. Graysmith said. “My hat’s off to them.”

With a finished script and a $75 million budget, Mr. Fincher and Phoenix approached Sony, then invited other studios to bid. The most aggressive, Warner Brothers and Paramount, decided to team up. At the same time Paramount invited Warner to share the $150 million budget for “Benjamin Button.” So Mr. Fincher agreed to do the two movies back to back.

The result has been a marathon. “Zodiac” required 115 shooting days, about twice the average, though it came in under budget; “Benjamin Button,” which is still shooting in New Orleans, will take 150 days, not counting months to complete the illusion of Mr. Pitt’s metamorphosis from newborn old man to demented, dying baby.

Perhaps most challenging for “Zodiac,” Mr. Fincher said, were the adjustments he made as a director — both in adopting a quieter visual style and in trying to get the most from his cast.

“It’s as unadorned a movie as I’ve ever made,” he said. “It’s just people talking, and it’s hard to make an audience realize that they have to be paying attention. One way you do that is by not doing very much.” There are none of the “perceptual games” that he said he played in “Fight Club,” where the subject was “the most unreliable narrator possible,” for example. “It was like, cast the movie right, get the script right, shoot the scenes as simply as we can and get out of everyone’s way,” he said.

Mr. Fincher said the last thing he wanted was for an audience to seize on period details like an avocado-colored rotary phone, or an actor’s sideburns, and miss the point of a scene. In several days on the set in San Francisco and Los Angeles in late 2005 and early 2006, he could be seen constantly retaking shots to dim a lamp, remove a too-colorful car, or alter the costume of an extra whose garb seemed lifted from a fashion layout rather than what people really wore.

Mark Ruffalo, who stars as the lead detective, said “Zodiac” was unlike any other Fincher film. “He’s just completely gone for the character and the story, and has sort of made that the rule, and not the look,” he said. Near the end of filming, Mr. Ruffalo recalled, Mr. Fincher said he’d watched a rough assemblage of about half the movie. “He said: ‘I think it’s great, but I’m in territory I’ve never been before. I just don’t know if they’re going to get it. And that’s exciting news: ‘Here’s my brand, and I’m stepping outside of it.’ ”

More difficult was changing the way Mr. Fincher worked with, and made demands of, his actors. On “Panic Room” he grew frustrated with his process — detailed storyboarding and previsualization to diagram a movie shot-by-shot — because it left little room for discovery, Mr. Fincher said. “It just felt wrong, like I didn’t get the most out of the actors, because I was so rigid in my thinking,” he said. “I was kind of impatiently waiting for everybody to get where I’d already been a year and a half ago. And I’ve been trying to nip that in the bud. I felt like I needed to be more attentive to watching the actors.”

He added: “Every once in a while there are actors you can defeat.”

For Jake Gyllenhaal, who stars in the movie as Mr. Graysmith, Mr. Fincher’s attentiveness was a mixed blessing.

Mr. Gyllenhaal said he came from a collaborative filmmaking family: “We share ideas, and we incorporate those ideas.” He added: “David knows what he wants, and he’s very clear about what he wants, and he’s very, very, very smart. But sometimes we’d do a lot of takes, and he’d turn, and he would say, because he had a computer there” — the movie was shot digitally — “ ‘Delete the last 10 takes.’ And as an actor that’s very hard to hear.”

Mr. Gyllenhaal, 26, partly blamed culture shock; he’d just finished “Jarhead” for Sam Mendes, who gave him a much freer rein. Mr. Gyllenhaal stressed that he admired and liked Mr. Fincher personally. And he noted that other members of the “Zodiac” cast had far more experience, adding: “I wish I could’ve had the maturity to be like: ‘I know what he wants. He wants the best out of me.’ ”

That said, Mr. Gyllenhaal spoke candidly about his frustration with Mr. Fincher’s degree of control over his performance.

“What’s so wonderful about movies is, you get your shot,” he said. “They even call it a shot. The stakes are high. You get your chance to prove what you can do. You get a take, 5 takes, 10 takes. Some places, 90 takes. But there is a stopping point. There’s a point at which you go, ‘That’s what we have to work with.’ But we would reshoot things. So there came a point where I would say, well, what do I do? Where’s the risk?”

Told of Mr. Gyllenhaal’s comments, Mr. Fincher half-jokingly said, “I hate earnestness in performance,” adding, “Usually by Take 17 the earnestness is gone.” But half-joking aside, he said that collaboration “has to come from a place of deep knowledge.” While he had no objections to having fun, he said, “When you go to your job, is it supposed to be fun, or are you supposed to get stuff done?”

He later called back and said he “adored the cast” of “Zodiac” and felt “lucky to have them all,” but was “totally shocked” by Mr. Gyllenhaal’s remark about reshoots.

Robert Downey Jr., impeccably cast as a crime reporter driven to drink, drugs and dissolution, called Mr. Fincher a disciplinarian and agreed that, as is often said, “he’s always the smartest guy in the room.” But Mr. Downey put this in perspective.

“Sometimes it’s really hard because it might not feel collaborative, but ultimately filmmaking is a director’s medium,” he said. “I just decided, aside from several times I wanted to garrote him, that I was going to give him what he wanted. I think I’m a perfect person to work for him, because I understand gulags.”

Mr. Ruffalo too survived some 70-take shots. “The way I see it is, you enter into someone else’s world as an actor,” he said. “You can put your expectations aside and have an experience that’s new and pushes and changes you, or hold onto what you think it should be and have a stubborn, immovable journey that’s filled with disappointment and anger.”

He said Mr. Fincher was equally demanding of everyone — executives, actors, himself. “He knows he’s taking a stab at eternity,” Mr. Ruffalo said. “He knows that this will outlive him. And he’s not going to settle for anything other than satisfaction, deep satisfaction. Somewhere along the line he said, ‘I will not settle for less.’ ”




Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a Zodiac Killer flick released in 2005, starring Justin Chambers (Grey's Anatomy glowering intern bohunk as glowering drunk cop), Robin Tunney (his wife, mailing in her Drunk Cop's Wife role from the East Coast), & Kieran Culkin (son of Drunk Cop, doing some REAL investigative work). Except for the very last scene (where the actor playing the ZK reads from the last letter the ZK sent to the press, with only an artist's rendition of the ZK onscreen & no music in the background - very creepy & effective!), the flick's a pisspoor Son of Sam ripoff.

David R., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Nathan Lee and David Edelstein wrote excellent-to-warily-positive reviews. Anyone seen it yet?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

This is nearly 3 hours long. It can't suck worse than his other films I suppose.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 1 March 2007 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

At least it's not nine hours before edits like Birth of a Nation, and then later to suffer with extended cuts.

I rly want to see this! Oh Jake. Oh crrepy pseudo-true-crime. le sigh.

Abbott, Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:11 (seventeen years ago) link

it's amazing.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:04 (seventeen years ago) link

"le sigh"?

Rock Hardy, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"le sigh" is the new SQUEEEE

David R., Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link

time out new york gave this six out of six stars. i'm pretty stoked. (i mean, that isn't the reason why, but that just kinda fueled my already-existent total enthusiasm for this movie)

impudent harlot, Thursday, 1 March 2007 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i am excited about this. i love fincher. and it seems like even reviewers who have given him bad reviews in the past have done so somewhat grudgingly, understanding that he's an incredibly talented director but one who doesn't always make very good movies, and with this movie they've found something solidly plotted enough that they didn't have to slog through a lot of filmic vocabulary to praise it.

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

calling the plotting "solid" is a bit misleading. it's a very twisty labyrinthine movie with lots of red herrings and LOTS left unexplained and no real payoff. some people will probably find it unsatisfying. i think it's awesome.

visually it's unbelievable. one of the best-looking movies i've seen in a really long time. when fincher turns his visual chops to pure period stuff he's incredible. it's especially impressive to see the art direction & visuals slowly change over the several decades the movie takes place. san fran hasn't look this good since vertigo.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i am creaming for the visuals already. i KNOW what he can do, and that's the main reason i keep wanting another fincher movie. they look SO. FUCKING. GOOD.

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Ebert: "Alien 3 is the best-looking bad movie I have ever seen."

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link

from what i understand this is the first hi-def hollywood big budget movie that's all video. and it just kills.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link

plz to make george lucas go eat a monkey's butt k thx

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:55 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait i'm wrong. it's the first h'wood movie not to shoot to film or tape.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

and i can't make him do anything he wouldn't actually do when he's not hypnotized.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe if we put our collective psychic powers together we can make him grow a chin,

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 07:14 (seventeen years ago) link

smoke some more pot kenan

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 07:15 (seventeen years ago) link

hey, it don't take drugs to start wishing that george lucas had a chin. that poor bastard. it's sad, really.

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

time out new york gave this six out of six stars.

This is generally not a good sign (nor is using a 6-star scale, wtf).

Mark Ruffalo calls Jake's NY Times complaints "weird sour grapes":

http://www.thereeler.com/premieres_events/finchers_going_to_eat_you_for_breakfast.php


Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

So how IS Jake's perf?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought he was great!

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

His sideburns and hair are way too perfect for the seventies, though...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

...

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Fincher Hater for Eternity Armond labels it a remake of the "stultifying" All the President's Men, and finds JG and MR to be "nerdy, soft-voiced males."

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"soft voiced" = "femmy"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I had no idea the Kubrick-Fincher analogies existed. I've never seen them. But there hasn't been a Fincher film that hasn't bored me or grossed me out after 20 minutes anyway.

But: The Smiths’ haunting “Suffer Little Children” – that maudlin piece of crap?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

the kubrick thing in zodiac is pretty hard to miss.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

He uses tracking shots?

Since I am a paranoid whiteboy I guess that's why Se7en and Fight Club mostly work splendidly for me (The Game and Panic Room were disposable crap).

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

the movie has a very kubricky structure.

you should see this morbius. you might like it.

(for the record i thought the game and panic room were disposable but fun)

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The Game was disposable crap of the best kind – it's probably my favorite.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I hated Seven and Fight Club, fell asleep during The Game and semi-enjoyed Panic Room. The only movie of Finchers I really liked was probably Alien 3. All that said I just read a couple of reviews of Zodiac (figuring what the hell they can't give away anything I don't already know haha) and it sounds really interesting so I am definitely going to see this despite my misgivings above.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

as an alex in sf you should see this at least for the sf, alex.

s1ocki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i see what you did there

kenan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Fincher has always been deceptively shallow to me which is why, after reading the script, I thought 'The Game' was better than I thought it was going to be, though still fatally flawed. 'Seven' was the worst kind of paranoid porn and I never bothered with 'Panic Room', though I've seen parts of it. I remember liking 'Alien 3' but I don't rememer much. I like that he's used Harris Savides for DP again.

Michael White, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i want to see this.
i love The Game and how Alien 3 looks. no desire to see Seven again (though i've seen it twice) and i haven't seen Panic Room. i kind of hate 'true crime' though...

rrrobyn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

what slocki said x 1000000

Tho I didn't catch any Kubrick, that scene in the factory, w/ all the straight-on one-shots, was oh so Demme.

David R., Saturday, 3 March 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice to see Philip Baker Hall in a GOOD movie about the Zodiac killer, too.

David R., Saturday, 3 March 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

watched Gone Girl for the first time recently, didn't hate it.

Ste, Monday, 16 October 2023 18:05 (six months ago) link

The Social Network
Panic Room
Zodiac

Not seen Mank, looking forward to The Killer next week.

nate woolls, Monday, 16 October 2023 19:32 (six months ago) link

Good Girl was the definition of "meh" when I saw it, though I'm hard-pressed to remember a thing about it other than Tyler Perry playing his part with extreme finesse.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 October 2023 19:40 (six months ago) link

*Gone

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 October 2023 19:40 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Rewatching now in my sole acknowledgment of the holiday

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 21:46 (five months ago) link

Somehow I hadn’t noticed before that Tom Verica has a small role in this

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 21:51 (five months ago) link

"Jim Dunbar"--I shouldn't, but I'm having a hard time remembering who that is. One of the local police?

clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:07 (five months ago) link

He appears as half of the duo having the TV conversation with the killer.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:09 (five months ago) link

Ah, with Brian Cox/Melvin Belli.

clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:12 (five months ago) link

irl anchor of San Francisco KGOTV
real ones know, clemenza

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 23:53 (five months ago) link

Let us know what you thought, Raymond.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 01:35 (five months ago) link

Creepier and more corrosive than I remember. That “Hurdy Gurdy” song keeps coming up in my memory.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:59 (five months ago) link

Donovan can be used to such amazingly creepy effect in movies: throw in Goodfellas and To Die For.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 November 2023 20:27 (five months ago) link

JG’s performance more unnerving than I remembered, and of course I kept thinking of his role in “Nightcrawler”.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 November 2023 20:31 (five months ago) link

He looks so haunted and broken towards the end. "I need...to know. I need to look him in the eye."

clemenza, Thursday, 2 November 2023 21:10 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

"Hurdy Gurdy Man" (and pop music in general) in Zodiac:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pb3AAT8HQA

The usual mistakes--I describe the beginning as the San Francisco night sky, forgetting the first murder takes place in Vallejo.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:56 (three weeks ago) link

(There's a part 1 to that, Donovan in various other films, that I will post later after I've had a chance to listen to it myself.)

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:57 (three weeks ago) link

I thought this film would have a lingering effect on me when I moved to SF last summer. Instead it's just creeped me out about Vallejo.

― Cosmo Vitelli

belated but lol when i drove thru Vallejo a few years back i kept flashing back to that opening scene w/the wide shot of the city at night, fireworks popping off everywhere.

omar little, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:05 (three weeks ago) link

Exactly the shot I misidentify. Also, I had intended to talk about the supporting cast--I almost put it up there with Godfather II for all the small supporting roles beyond the three principals--and typically forgot.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:19 (three weeks ago) link

i've met two people who were in this film in very, very small but specifically memorable roles, one of whom i was kinda pals with through a place she worked, and the other because we were both helping install a mutual friend's front window.

omar little, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:27 (three weeks ago) link

If you don't mind me asking, which characters?

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:28 (three weeks ago) link

for the former, she came upon Ione Skye on the side of the road after her encounter with the possible Zodiac, and the latter was more memorably the older Mike Mageau

omar little, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:33 (three weeks ago) link

(the former was credited as "woman" so maybe the role isn't that memorable)

omar little, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:34 (three weeks ago) link

Older Mike Mageau is great. Last three lines of the film are his: "It's at least an eight. Only other time I saw this face was on July 4, 1969. I'm very sure that's the man who shot me." The actor's name is Jimmi Simpson, and he was weirdly memorable in a couple of seasons of House of Cards as Gavin Orsay, a hacker being manipulated by the FBI.

clemenza, Friday, 22 March 2024 00:52 (three weeks ago) link

Ahem that's MCPOYLE

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 March 2024 05:49 (three weeks ago) link

Pretty prominent role in Westworld too, I like seeing him in stuff

Vinnie, Friday, 22 March 2024 09:05 (three weeks ago) link

Love him, but he'll never top It's Always Sunny. He really chews up the scenery in those appearances.

Used to be married to Melanie Lynskey too, but she's with Jason Ritter now.

dan selzer, Friday, 22 March 2024 13:48 (three weeks ago) link

honestly never saw him in anything else! glad to report he was just a remarkably nice guy.

omar little, Friday, 22 March 2024 16:41 (three weeks ago) link

emmy material https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7HURhtyHgE

dan selzer, Friday, 22 March 2024 17:17 (three weeks ago) link

also find it humrous that young Mageau was the nerdy kid from One Tree Hill

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 March 2024 17:22 (three weeks ago) link

way overdue for a rewatch of this movie.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 March 2024 17:23 (three weeks ago) link

xpost and MINKUS ON BOY MEETS WORLD WTF I NEVER MADE THE CONNECTION

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 March 2024 17:24 (three weeks ago) link


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