step #1 in achieving that goal is probably not reading pitchfork, or pitchfork-related ilm threads
― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
that "loser" song. i remember that from when it came out! absolutely dreadful. it's like a fucking parody of every socially inept indie mumble there's every been!
...seriously i remember laughing at that song w/my girls in high school, it was so obviously lame.
It is a parody of socially indept indie mumble, which is why it's so great! It's both a parody and a foreshadowing of the next 20 years of indie! Plus it has a sitar! I seriously remember laughing at it -- and the wonderful music video. Laughing at it and laughing in complete joy! My pick for No. 1.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 September 2010 14:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark
OTM of course it's a parody.
― village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:42 (thirteen years ago) link
but i CAN'T STOP
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link
AND THAT IS WHY U FAIL
― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:49 (thirteen years ago) link
fail is not the greatest of evils; it is worse to want to fail, and not be able to
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
also worse to like NMH
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
List feels ridiculously revisionist, like it's been put together on the basis of who people rated during the 00s - exhibit A being the inclusion of Outkast.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah, lots of people only rep for Outkast's 90s stuff. Yeah it's a shit list but that's legit I think.
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:01 (thirteen years ago) link
outkast weren't much known in the uk iirc. maybe it was different in the US, though PROBABLY NOT among future-p4k-writers.
― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
all my posts are predicated on not giving a flying fuck about p4k
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Outkast had three top 20 records in the states and several videos that had huge airplay in the 90s. Pretty inescapable even for people like me who weren't paying particular attention.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link
man, why wouldn't you want this list to be revisionist - do you really just want a bunch of pitchfork writers to tell you what they were listening to in elementary school/high school/college?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It wd be funner.
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
List could do with some Crash Test Dummies
If you think this list was revisionist check out their "songs of the 60s" list, guarantee they were listening to NONE of that shit back then
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I too would be shocked and amazed to discover that Pitchfork writers were listening to Neutral Milk Hotel and Pavement at college.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
wait are you complaining this list is too revisionist or not enough now
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Not complaining at all, just changing the angle of derision for the sake of it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
do you really just want a bunch of pitchfork writers to tell you what they were listening to in elementary school/high school/college?
ideally i don't want a bunch of pfork writers telling me anything about what they've ever listened to
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
again, probably best not to read the site or related ilm threads then
― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
They've actually pitched up outside his house, next to the man who sells hotdogs on matchdays.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't read the site!
i always think ilx is better than to agree w/pfork ;_;
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link
GOD I WISH
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link
well, you know, broken clocks telling the correct time twice a day and all that...
― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, pfork loved the bug record, which i also loved, and so i think did you... so even you agree with pfork sometimes?
― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
more like pfork agrees with me sometimes.
i mean, occasional agreement w/anyone isn't surprising, it's more...i'm constantly surprised, though, i shouldn't be, by how much of ilx self-identifies as, uh, pitchfolk.
we got rid of that man.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Really, how?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
our landlord's secretary wrote him a Stern Letter
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex, a good chunk of the people who currently write for Pitchfork are posters from this board dating back to its inception! It would be weird if there WASN'T any overlap or interest between ILM and Pitchfork, all things considered.
― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm disappointed a message board of people likes stuff i don't like" is a sentiment i just can't grasp!
― Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
nah I feel that way about the motherfucking Beatles
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
based on the general response to Joanna Newsom and AnCo/AnCo-related threads, I think that ILM still has connections to the indie world. And any message boards with connections to the indie world is going to acknowledge and discuss pitchfork, as it should. also, disagreeing with pitchfork just because it's pitchfork is just as bad as agreeing with pitchfork just because it's pitchfork.
I don't think this list is very revisionist. It's a pretty accurate top 20 of my 90s, especially ages 12-18.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not revisionist of how the '90s played out as much as it's revisionist of what Pfork covered in the '90s (e.g., there's no way the site would've given Aaliyah or BIG the time of day during the actual '90s).
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah totally agree with that.
But, you know, gave Discovery a bad review etc etc
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
and animal collective iirc
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ha I went to look just because I couldn't believe it and they gave Danse Manatee a 3.9
everything else got a 7.1 or higher though
― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Well that makes sense, though -- Danse Manatee was awful.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not revisionist of how the '90s played out as much as it's revisionist of what Pfork covered in the '90s
Not all that surprising, though, since only three staffers from 2000 are still on board today: Schreiber, Richardson, LeMay.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
From the archives.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"It's embarrasing to admit to liking this record, but somebody's got to do it. I feel pretty confident there are others just like me out there."
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Thank you Ryan Schreiber, I am not alone in my Pet Sho Boys guilty-pleasure love.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Bilingual is the only PSB album I still haven't heard
― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i think this tangent deserves its own thread
Thread For Pitchfork Web.Archive.org fun
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I know they are obvious but I still have a special place in my heart for "Rosa Parks" and "Miss Jackson".
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Catchall feature today roundly bests the actual list, compleat nonshocka.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry miss jackson.... i am for reeeeeeaaaaaaaall
― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
lol fine. but by all standards this is pretty underwhelming to me, esp for a first single. like taylor swift "mine"-level underwhelming.
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf lol WRONG THREAD. need to stop opening tabs.
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link