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ban l0u1s jagg3r

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay, I read the thread that apparently lead to all this, so here's my two cents:

Kate, I know that Kenan can sometimes make insensitive comments, and I understand the need to have a women-only spaces, or threads. (I'm all for the "No boys allowed" thred on 1P3.) And I have nothing against deleting pointless "funny" remarks from a serious thread. However, in this case it didn't look like Kenan had actually done anything wrong yet (it's not like he's always insensitive), so pre-emptively banning him from the thread was unnecessary. And it didn't look like the other female posters on the thread wanted it to be women only, so their wishes should've been respected too.

Basically, I don't think Kate should be banned from ILTMI, but at this point she shouldn't be an ILTMI mod. I thought that already happened when ENBB was made a mod, but apparently not. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh Kate, but it looks like the consensus on what ILTMI should be like goes against you mod decisions. I completely understand the need to have a forum to discuss stuff safely, with no fear of any unwanted comments, but ILTMI is still supposed to be an open forum. (Though I have to say the discussion there has mostly been quite good-natured, with little need for moderation.) There are other places on the net where you can have safe discussions. In fact, I'm all for you having your own subboard again, where you are the single mod, and can regulate the threads differently than on ILTMI. ILTMI was never supposed be like IDME, but if the site mods can create a new IDME, I think that would be a reasonable solution to this whole problem.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 07:25 (thirteen years ago) link

A measured and diplomatic post... thankyou T.

queen of the toilets, which is in some ways the worst branch of royalty (Trayce), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Measured and diplomatic, with a hint of Finnish faux-naive troll.

gr8080 State (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 09:31 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

(b)clam(/b) (crüt), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

eh maybe lock thread?

k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

free dom

am0n, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link

K de-modded and removed herself from TMI because the mods she contacted didn't reply to her explanations of why she mods ILTMI the way she does. There's an angry and depressed post on her blog entitled "burn the witch" which you're not going to like if you don't like that kind of thing so I'm not going to link to it here.

StanM, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I still want to know if the software behind the board was working properly when the thread ban was attempted. I know it's glitched for me in the past and I want to rule out that it glitched here.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link

kenan was just banned from thread iirc

if you ban yourself or are banned while you have mod privileges you can come back and ban others, at least on subboards, or at least you used to be able to, but thats all you can do

sorry if this has been covered already

proprietor of gib (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Assuming the software was working correctly, one of three things happened:

- Another ILTMI mod unbanned Kenan; I don't see what either would gain from it, plus both have explicitly stated they didn't and I believe them.

- A sitemod unbanned Kenan; so far, no one is taking credit for this. If someone DID do this, IMO that person should not be a sitemod anymore. No exceptions.

- Someone's figured out how to hack the site. Kind of can't do anything about that unless we can actually prove it and recreate how it was done.

Basically, because the admin log was turned off for ILTMI, there's no record of who did what on the board. The simplest explanations are either a software failure (ie, the site gave the incorrect impression that Kenan was banned, or some subsequent action intended to do something else cleared out Kenan's ban), a user error (ie, when Kate attempted to ban Kenan, she mistakenly clicked off of the confirmation page) or a sitemod failure (a sitemod decided to rescind the ban without, at a bare minimum, notifying the other sitemods as to the reasoning behind the decision). At the moment, we don't have enough information to investigate the first two and no one is fessing up on the third option.

Board policy in recent years has shifted away from giving people private sub-boards. I am not against the idea of a women-only board but I would like to see more support for it from the community before creating it. I have no real opinion on who would moderate it; that should be decided by the people using it.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

hmm

proprietor of gib (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

hackers, def hackers

am0n, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

kenan was just banned from thread iirc

Who unbanned him from that thread is the question, I think. Kate, ENBB and Tuomas were the ILTMI mods, and they didn't do it. None of the sitewide mods know who did it. It was his unbanning from that thread that upset Kate. I, for one, did not jump in and re-ban Kenan from that thread because I prefer to find out what's going on in a situation before I take any action, unless there's an obvious urgent need. Right now the "who unbanned Kenan" mystery still has the sitewides baffled. I regret that we don't act quickly enough or communicate quickly enough to suit Kate, but frankly, she has a hair-trigger and there's no such thing as moving quickly enough or communicating quickly enough to suit Kate.

Mods don't do, or fail to do, anything in order to spite any ILXor.

xposts, was composing that while HI DERE posted.

Donovan Dagnabbit (WmC), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link

- A sitemod unbanned Kenan; so far, no one is taking credit for this. If someone DID do this, IMO that person should not be a sitemod anymore. No exceptions.

i do not share y.o.

k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link

surely k8 was acting capriciously, not the mod who restored things. isn't this whole thread pointing out that ILTMI is a board to be modded in an impersonal fashion like ILE or ILM & not according to whims like Stickwaving: The Chinatown of ILX :: The Chinatown of ILX.

zvookster, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

i unbanned kenan and throw myself on the mercy of the court

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Taking a mod action on a board that isn't being tracked and not telling anyone, including the other other sitemods, about what you are doing is bad modding. If there was a reason behind it, if it had been written up the mods Kate contacted could have communicated better with her. She may still be angry, but there would be answer. As it stands right now, we have nothing to say other than "we don't know what happened". That doesn't help anyone.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

If 'who unbanned kenan' is a big question, then 'when/how did kate get ILTMI mod powers back' is another one, i think

k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

as of right now, I am not 100% convinced they were ever actually taken away

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

actually I wonder if there's some weird cache interaction happening here where attempting to do something at a certain time gets ignored because the site is running maintenance tasks

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link

How long is this clusterfuck going to go on for?

1) I banned Kenan (and a couple of other guys who had posted) from the thread because, as stated, several people on the thread (myself, Nijoli and someone else) said that they felt uncomfortable sharing intimate details of their personal lives for fear of mockery, among other things. Kenan, to give him credit, at least tried to contact me about this, though I was unable to respond, as he did not provide an email address where we could discuss it further.

2) Someone removed the ban. I contacted several moderators asking what the policy on this was. I asked, if I was not going to be allowed to moderate, to have my moderation privileges revoked and to be removed from the board. Only one mod replied, saying that he was too busy with personal issues to get involved (fair enough). There was no other response.

3) When there was no response, I banned both of my accounts from TMI. If anyone had been curious or concerned about that, well, NOT ONE PERSON bothered to webmail or email me or ask me what had happened, they just went straight to opening up the old clusterfuck thread yet again.

4) I yet again wrote to several more mods, explaining my actions yet again, and asking for this thread to be locked. I have been removed from moderation, I have been removed from TMI. I do not know what else you want? A public execution?

I do not understand this thread is kept being kept open for the usual round of clusterfuck, character assassination, grandstanding and just all around fucking drama that gets dragged out whenever my name is even *mentioned* on the mod board, whether I am involved or not. I gather you lot seem to enjoy doing this, because I certainly do not.

I am asking yet again for this thread to be locked since none of the moderators have responded to any of my emails. Enough is enough.

propranoLOL (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I only just saw the email you sent me after reading this post.

Thread is locked.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link


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