Pitchfork: The Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s: 20-01

Is "Sandstorm" the one with Sting and an Algerian dude?

that wasn't me who said that?

the chick is greek so the song's connection to the british class system is sort of indirect; and the narrator/jarvis is not someone whose life is sliding out of view: he is at the prestigious st martin's school of art. the bit about the dog is weird. but it's an undeniable tune and i don't rly mind about all this, 15 years on.

xposts to zvookster

OMG, Jess, you might actually be being stupider than I initially thought. Are you really trying to tell me that a pop song or lyrics or poetry or something is really not capable of *not* being simplistic? That a lyric really can't capture something ambiguous and complex and multifaceted?

Because fuck me, that is *exactly* what I go to poetry and the more ... lyrical of lyrics to *do* for me.

...

oh sorry i see now that was lex! xp to mayne

i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.

I mean, jesus h. christ, yeah, OK, this is why you write for fucking Pitchfork, and this absolutely encapsulates everything about why people around here bitch and moan and complain about said organ.

Time for me to bow out of this conversation now, because this direction of conversation actually *is* going to piss me off.

"Common People"'s lyrics seem amazingly appropriate for what's going on here.

Is "Sandstorm" the one with Sting and an Algerian dude?

― jaymc, Friday, September 3, 2010 11:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats desert rose dummy

i actually phoned st martins the other week to check that in fact there is no apostrophe there

so i amend my earlier post

well my work here is done

sandstorm is the one that goes "duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes higher] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes lower] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh"

I wonder where this kind of ferocious, articulate working-class voice exists in indie these days. Pulp had it and the Manics had it but the current crop are almost universally privileged - not rich, necessarily, but relatively comfortable. It's a constant in hip hop - it's all over the Tinie Tempah album - but I don't hear many (any?) new indie musicians with years of financial struggle behind them. I'm not saying that it's better to have that - I hate the tired old Alan McGee point-scoring - but there should be somebody voicing that kind of experience and outlook.

i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.

Oh my god, people are having a lively debate about something I MUST STOP THAT RIGHT NOW - you actually make me want to go on talking about this with Lex and Dorian until the lights go down.

this is kind of awesome, i forgot about this

thats desert rose dummy

I know. ;-)

I don't know what "Sandstorm" is, though.

could we take this to the sandstorm thread so i can continue trolling kate

sandstorm is the one that goes "duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes higher] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes lower] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh"

― max, Friday, September 3, 2010 11:45 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh, I got it - it's 'Enter Sandstorm' right?

xpost I feel The Streets' first album, which was certainly not indie, but had a massive indie listenership, captures some of this class consciousness you're referencing here. I might be wrong, but I feel lots of people listened to his writing in the same way as Cocker or Strummer or Morrissey in the past, in addition to all the dance culture references on that record.

I wonder where this kind of ferocious, articulate working-class voice exists in indie these days.

new labour and everyone got rich.

the north is all elbow and doves these days.

Skinner=Moz is ©2002 me.

Common People: A lyrical discussion/dissection

you know 'sandstorm' even if you think you don't

it's probably more omnipresent than the beatles

don't much like 'sandstorm', but i guess out of principle big euro-dance floorfillers > weezer

you know 'sandstorm' even if you think you don't

it's probably more omnipresent than the beatles

― ciderpress, Friday, September 3, 2010 4:53 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah -- feels like it's still around in a weird way

srsly though

ould we take this to the sandstorm thread so i can continue trolling kate

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, September 3, 2010 3:48 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

k8 is pretty much worth 100 of you, you utter twit

ah that old black magic

are you having a nice time there, dear?

I think I've said everything about Common People/Pulp that I really need to.

I'm gonna spend the rest of the afternoon listening to Aaliyah and Aphex until my head explodes. And probably end up voting Aphex because I want to eat up his little boolies even though that's one of my least favourite songs of his.

really i'm just bored as shit at work before a holiday weekend

tbh this list is p decent, glad to see the outkast choice, protect ya neck, gold soundz, aaliyah etc.

is this thread huge just because lex read pitchfork again?

another bored office worker being a twat to people on the internet, wouldn't have ever guessed

iirc it's that lex thinks when people like music he doesn't like it's really appalling

sam the irony is i genuinely haven't clicked on the actual list, i've no idea what's on it beyond the 20 in the poll!!

For Pitchfork's worldview it's a great list. Plenty of omissions, inevitably, but I like everything here except Weezer.

lex, you're being just as big a twat

early 90s man. that was our sixties. and we blew it

I love this. Voted for 'G Thang'.

i'm not the one admitting to deliberately trolling someone to make them upset?

not admitting to it, no

because being disingenuous is so much better xpost

even though that's pretty much exactly what you're doing, and you're smart enough and self-aware enough to know that

This thread has turned into Summer Heights High. I approve.

"i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily!

^^ still my favorite moment of this thread

imagining lex sitting back in his chair after typing that to take a sip of his pepsi and say softly to himself "zing"

well if you're going to pile on me for it, i'd also direct you over there to jess

and what's actually even worse are people like electricsound who contribute nothing except popping in to pile on someone once everyone else starts

you know 'sandstorm' even if you think you don't

Nah, I listened to it, didn't sound familiar. Oh well!

i don't drink pepsi

dang

i'm a diet coke with lime man, myself

lex - i haven't read the thread, just skimmed it, so i ask this sincerely and feel free to tell me I'm wrong but

1. why so upset about an indie list? surely for a crusader like yourself it is great to see wu tang and aaliyah above nirvana and then after that, you don't really get it so its not worth getting angry about?

2. common people is a pop song, its not exactly supposed to sort out a 1000 yrs of class issues. catchy though. loser is supposed to be funny and silly and throwaway. other stuff we should all just let go.

3. life is for enjoying, not spending yr friday night bitching abouts pitchfork.

:)