― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I also saw yesterday that Women's Voices Across Musical Worlds has an article on the subject of this thread by Virginia Danielson, which looked like a really good compact introduction to Oum Kalthoum.
― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 31 December 2004 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 31 December 2004 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Why is Al Atlal so often the recommended CD? Why that as the only one-song CD they recommend? Why recommend the 5 volume EMI collection of early material? Why bypass the core of her greatest work: the late 30s through the early 60s?
I paid over ten dollars for this issue of Songlines, so I could complain about this?
(Songlines is really lightweight. Despite it's frequent mediocrity, I think The Beat's coverage of the "world music" that it covers, which probably wouldn't include Oum Kalthoum, is better.)
Geez, I think the Oum Kalthoum intro. that appeared in Global Rhythms was better than this (but that's by the same author who wrote that NPR guide mentioned above, and I get the impression that he's spent some time listening to Oum Kalthoum.
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, Songlines is pretty good for reviews. It's the articles that are usually a let-down.
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Jah Wobble? He's worth mentioning in a capsule biography of Umm Kulthum? (Did Natacha Atlas write this?)
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Mohammed might just be a little better known.
She did not use musical scores, she simply sang a few simple lines over and over altering them as her heart saw fit.
She didn't read scores while performing, but her works were probably all pre-composed. The lines might have generally been fairly simple, but some of the lyrics were considered to be very challenging poetry.
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Oum Kalthoum in Iraq, 1932. (That's what the website said anyway.)
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Oum Kalthoum's villa.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
BOOM, the GLASSES.
― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
― amina marref, Monday, 7 November 2005 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"The greatest ever singer in the world"--Rabih Abou Khalil (quoted in Songlines, Jan/Feb 2006).
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:50 (fourteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The beginning of "Baid Anak" is now up on youtube. (There are other parts up too. I haven't checked to see if it is a complete concert. The CD copy of this is quite long, and even it, I think, leaves off a portion of the instrumental intro. here, though I haven't listened for a while, so I'm not positive.) This opening passage is one of my favorite Oum Kalthoum performances (and it's from relatively late in her career). Notice how she totally works off the one possibly overzealous audience member who calls out (around 4:26ish) and just takes everything deeper. This is absolute must-see if you are remotely interested in Oum Kalthoum:
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Performing "Al Atlal" in Paris:
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Another "Al Atlal"!
(This was something she performed very heavily in her international touring at one point in the 60s. Not like I was there, alas.)
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
This is pretty amazing (one-hand oud solo version of "Inta Omri"):
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting. This Kuwaiti audience behaves more like a western audience than maybe any other audience I've seen/heard in an Oum Kalthoum live recording.
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
another victim of ilx2 thread title truncation
― Lingbert, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, it's sad. What is it with people reviving my old threads today? (Not complaining, it's just weird.)
― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
If only ILX could do Arabic script - then we would only need one version of her name.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 November 2007 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
Hey Rockist Scientist or someone, can you date/rate these two new eMusic acquisitions....?
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
I think I have a copy of this first one, but I will have to check and get back to you once I'm at home.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
These are good:
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
I'm checking out Ozkourini now. I think I picked this up in one of the last batches of Oum Kalthoum CDs I bought, which I haven't listened to all that much. This didn't really stand out for me, but sometimes it takes me a while to get into particular recordings by the subject of this thread. There are some fine solo violin passages so far.
There was just a big "ALLAH!" from the audience which I didn't see coming, which means I'm not quite clicking with it. Usually when I really click with one of these performances, I know when the audience is about to flip out.
It's very dark and brooding (presumably, romantically), even by the standards of her repertoire.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
The pace is finally picking up somewhat, but I'd have to say this is not something I'd recommend to someone who hasn't heard a bunch of her other music already.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:20 (twelve years ago) link
I've never seen the movie clip for this song before. "Ha Ablou Bokra," one of my favorite relatively shorter songs from her career:
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 March 2008 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
life at the Uum Kulthum cafe in Iraq
Devotees of the Sad, Beautiful Voice of Umm Kulthum
By Andrea Bruce
Washington Post Staff Photographer
Monday, August 11, 2008; A11
The cafe's dust-streaked sign is lost amid the chaos of old Baghdad. But a painted silhouette of a woman hangs above the entrance, signaling the way to an unlighted, soot-covered hallway stacked with broken generators.
Through the passage, street sounds fade and a woman's voice becomes clear. A reel-to-reel tape player is spinning the songs of the Egyptian singer Umm Kulthum. More than 30 years after her death, she is still probably the best-known and most beloved singer in the Middle East.
Several regulars -- well-dressed men who appear to be in their 50s -- sit on benches in the multitiered room known as the Umm Kulthum Cafe. They sip tea as they listen.
"Her voice is sweet," says Waheed A. Fatia, 61, who claims to have had an Umm Kulthum obsession since he was 10. "She has layers, a rich soprano. And she performs improvised, like American jazz."
Hookah pipes bubble, the fragrant smoke competing with the harsh, unfiltered cigarette smoke from the other side of the room, where men flip dominoes or softly move a rook into check. They play from midmorning to early evening, every day, to the sad, beautiful voice of Umm Kulthum. The cafe plays nothing else.
"No one obeys laws now, or has pride," Waheed says. "No security. No stability. But through all of this," he adds, looking around the cafe, "this is the same."
Less than a minute later, four young men wearing soccer jerseys and T-shirts emerge from the hallway and approach the cafe manager. They are members of the Sons of Iraq, former insurgents now allied with U.S. forces, here to collect the monthly "protection" fee of 15,000 Iraqi dinars -- about $12.
"This used to be a good street. With a bus stop, nightlife," says Jehad el-Obeiedi, 70, a retired movie director. "They called it 'the city of singing.' There was a famous nightclub next door."
From age-blackened paintings and framed black-and-white photos, Umm Kulthum looks down over her fans from every wall of the cafe while they hum her songs.
"We listen to her every day," Obeiedi says, "as if listening to it for the first time."
Washington Post photographer Andrea Bruce is documenting the lives of people in Iraq in a feature, Unseen Iraq, appearing regularly in the World pages. For a photo gallery and previous columns, visit http://blog.washingtonpost.com/unseen-iraq.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 15 August 2008 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
Still the best.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
I think there might be a tribute to her coming up as part of the February and March Arabic Music events coming to the Kennedy Center in DC
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Oum Kalthoum rehearsing a song she never formally recorded or publically performed:
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
rockist can you send something our way? post a link on yousendit perhaps? I'm very interested to hear some more of her if possible.
― Moka, Saturday, 3 January 2009 09:14 (eleven years ago) link
My access to the internet is kind of limited at the moment (no dsl at home), so if I do it, it won't be real soon..
Also they are using a two year old version of Explorer in the library here making it hard for me to proof my posts, thanks to the way they display. I think I need to ask about updating that again.
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 3 January 2009 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Moka check your e-mail (& continue checking).
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 26 January 2009 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
Okay I'm already finished. I forgot just how easy everything has become. (Connection speeds here are usually really slow though, but that didn't seem to have an impact in this case.)
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 26 January 2009 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
There's some nice ol black & white footage of her with Youssou N'Dour talking about growing up listening to her, in the new Youssou N''Dour movie doc I recently saw that focussed on the making and promotion of his Egypt album.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 14:18 (ten years ago) link
this is prob my favorite thread title ever
― mark cl, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:05 (ten years ago) link
How is it possible that there is footage of her talking to Youssou N'Dour? She died in 1975. But now on checking Youssou N'Dour's bio I see that he started singing when he was 12 and was already a big hit in the early 70s, so I suppose it's not impossible. I will have to look for this.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 22:47 (ten years ago) link
No, that's not what I meant-- I left out a comma and phrased that poorly. Youssou is shown in the documentary talking about Oum and the movie cuts away to a black and white film clip of Oum. Youssou talks about listening to Oum on the radio as a kid.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 04:07 (ten years ago) link
noone but rockist scientist is likely to care, but laure daccache died in 2005. i hadn't known.
― amateurist, Saturday, 24 October 2009 07:17 (ten years ago) link