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Also, is anyone else just astounded by her command of English? The lyrics are written much better than most records from native English speakers are. Does she have someone else write the words, I wonder...

I just noticed last night that both the first and last songs on the album talk about how much pressure she's under.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I really need to hear 'Keep This Fire Burning'

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy cow.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(Erm, thanks, Sean!)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, I agree w/r/t the lyrics. The opening couplet of "Be Mine" is really astounding: concise but just detailed enough (tears in the pouring rain) to be heartbreaking.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.amiright.com/misheard/artist/robyn.shtml

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

The greatest line in "Be Mine" is actually when she sings -- and it took me a few listens to hear this properly -- "And you never were, and you never will be mine." It's such a beautifully sorrowful realization that she is, well, doubly fucked: not only will she never possess him, but she never did in the first place. *Sniff*

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Those are tight, but I'm thinking especially of "Handle Me," "Crash and Burn Girl," "Who's That Girl" ... I agree with Tom about the Dylan qualities on the former, too. At first I was like, what the hell is Tom talking about, but I hear it now, the way she twists the chorus into the person she's addressing, like "in your face." It's even more apparent when you actually see the lyrics written out. I think she has more regret about the not-being-able-to-handleability of her mate than Bob was usually willing to admit to, though.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

sean m thanks so much!

there are a couple more remixes from the 'Robyn' album available on her site if anyone is interested (just looked now).

also, there's a bunch of other stuff at this fan site (as there usually is at such places) - http://robynmusic.makes.it/ including, for -- Sororah T Massacre a video for "Keep This Fire Burning"

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

there are a couple more remixes from the 'Robyn' album available on her site if anyone is interested (just looked now).

Yeah, this is where I got the "Be Mine" Meatboys remix. The other "Be Mine" remix I didn't like nearly as much.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

ah okay :) only scanned this thread quickly today, mention of that got lost under ye older messages are hidden link it seems.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

re 'Keep This Fire Burning' i didn't expect the Beverley Knight cover to have copied the music wholesale!

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Jack U Off is a Prince cover, no? Was covered on popjustice an age ago. It is good, mind.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

re: jack u off/ popjustice. hey i write the daughters blog ... didn't realise that it was covered elsewhere. i'm not as up on my blog reading as i should be for a blogger, i guess. oopsy

jaime, Thursday, 24 November 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess that's the explanation for the lyrics addressing a female... but perhaps not the full explanation?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 24 November 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The Robyn Jack U Off has expired, can anyone re-YSI in this thread or the YSI one?

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 24 November 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I reckon Lex is pretty OTM with his criticism of the album - Who's That Girl is the best pop song of the year and I really like Be Mine and Konichiwa Bitches but as soon as the tempo drops it all goes a bit Dido.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Jack U Off - http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=10VE8ZKIA6JT70OITA9NK4XFX9

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 November 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Keep This Fire Burning - http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A12L9BHJWADK1JZFMJQ2Y4A13

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 November 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm surprised how much I love the Robyn album.

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I looked at that blog link and it's fantastic, thank you, fandango! I am so hopelessly sunk w/her that I watched 20 minutes of her talking on some stiff-arsed Swedish interview program even though I couldn't understand a word she said.. except where she was explaining the meaning of "konichiwa" to the presenter, and he made some questioning kind of noise, and she was like "[swedish] [swedish], 'whassup?'" and he's like "'wassup?'" probably raising an eyebrow at her and she looks repentant and switches back into swedish.

one of the super weird things about her is that on video she doesn't look anything like any of her photographs.??! and is much cuter than i thought she was.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for the ysi's, tracer!

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with Tracer Hand. Robyn looks so different on video compared to photo's of her (ie: Album cover). Also I had no idea she was still in the music biz and only came across this site today because of the fact I heard a cool dance mix of her single "KEEP THIS FIRE BURNING" on Music One (all dance music internet broadcast radio out of NYC). Last I ever heard of Robyn was waaaaaaaaay back in 1997 when her huge record spawned the hit singles "DO YOU (WHAT IT TAKES), SHOW ME LOVE" were on the air waves in North America back in the late 90's. I'm from Canada and you don't hear her music anymore on radio. I still have her hit record and....geeesh ...haven't even touched it or listned to it since then. WoW hey! I'm a DJ so I have thousands of Discs (Albums, Singles, Promo's, Vinyl) from the last 15 year...hell half of that i don't even play or touch anymore...unless someone requests something from the last 15 yrs...it's like..."oh yeah...I didn't know i still had that one". Anyway, I wished i knew what her music sounded like now...8 years later anyway...Damn!...time flys!!!! whatthefuck...we all gettin' older lol....aiiiight later - peace out!

Miles, Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Boy, am I not getting this -- and I was looking forward to it. Yes, it's knowing and sassy. Yes, it's got a fancy bleeps and blips production with ace touches of strings here and there. And yes, "Who's That Girl?", "Handle Me" and "Be Mine!" are catchy -- and yes, her English is flawless. I even think she has a really versatile voice.

But there's a distinct...disingenuity about the whole affair -- utterly missing any of the air of vulnerability at the core of the best pop (and that goes for "Be Mine!" -- those lines don't hit half as hard as folks here want them to). I almost get the sense that this whole fascination with persona--with creating this Sassy Swedish Superhott--is so much the focus of this that the failures, regrets that would make it really resonate have a token feel about them. As a result, we get the cartoon R&B songs on one hand and indistinct, desperately-heartbroken ballads on the other -- no in between.

And that's saying nothing of the fact that it's more melodies than tunes -- but that's a whole other argument to be made...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 December 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

But there's a distinct...disingenuity about the whole affair -- utterly missing any of the air of vulnerability at the core of the best pop

Please tell me you're not a Rachel Stevens fan ok?

There's so much vulnerability in those ballads near the end (which people seem to hate...)

Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not a fan of Rachel Stevens. OK?

As for the ballads, the best song on this record for me was the last. But it's not just the vulnerability that makes it so.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 December 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

this whole fascination with persona--with creating this Sassy Swedish Superhott

ot fucking m.

that's as much robyn's fascination as her fans'.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 December 2005 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link

uh, i have no interest in this and don't even find Robyn very attractive (physically/'look'/style/personality). but my god her SONGS!

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 22 December 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

more melodies than tunes

ha! yes, of course, we're blinded by her looks and her tuneless melodies. gramophone OTM on robyn as always

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 22 December 2005 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I think if someone was listening to 'Be Mine' for the first time, without having seen Robyn or know anything about her at all, I'd be surprised and suspicious if they thought it sounded 'disingenuous'.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 22 December 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I love this album

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 December 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

spacemen 3

Rizz (Rizz), Thursday, 22 December 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont' get it

idontgetit, Thursday, 22 December 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Sassy Swedish Superhott?

Yes, she plays around with a little bit of fronting in her songs so what? There is more than that to them as well, it's not all about the image.

Hmmm, watch her videos or that live gig linked from one of her fansites... She isn't as ICE COOL UBERSWEDISH as people are imagining her to be here at all. She actually seems very unafraid of cracking that perception and looking a touch ridiculous (like a silly human being) now & then.

Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

It's possible I've got a selective memory here but I don't remember anyone doing the "ooh, isn't her English good?" thing with Annie. Or, for that matter, any other Swedish pop star ever.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Or when Robyn was a Top 40 hit back about 6 years ago, for that matter.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry yes can someone remind what the deal is with these:

26 - Robyn - Do You Know (What It Takes) - Aug 1997
8 - Robyn - Show Me Love - Mar 1998
20 - Robyn - Do You Really Want Me - May 1998

I have no memory of them at all.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

re: the "ooh, isn't her English good?" thing, isn't that just because the lyrics seem very naturalised (for a second language) and kinda quirky-personalised (not as bland/general as they could be in parts, or in her past career).

Merry Christmas (fandango), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I think if someone was listening to 'Be Mine' for the first time, without having seen Robyn or know anything about her at all, I'd be surprised and suspicious if they thought it sounded 'disingenuous'.

OTM

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Steve, "Show Me Love" was perky dancey pop that went "Show me love, show me life, come on show me what it's all about." I'm sure you've heard it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

really does not ring a bell - a top 10 hit in 1998 and i don't know it - outrageous really.

Swedes speak English better than the English. I think she sounds 'American' half the time anyway ('don't be eating in my jacuzzi' etc. - that is such an Anerican thing to say arf).

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to get "Show Me Love" confused with Robyn S's "Show Me Love", which I would then get confused with K-Klass's "Let Me Show You Love", which I would then get confused with Romanthony's "Let Me Show You Love".

All four are ace tunes.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I think if someone was listening to 'Be Mine' for the first time, without having seen Robyn or know anything about her at all, I'd be surprised and suspicious if they thought it sounded 'disingenuous'.

Sure, but they might not really notice it either.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps because it's not there? I just find it a daft thing to project at a pop record. What, you don't BELIEVE she's really heartbroken? It doesn't really make sense.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no memory of them at all.

me neither. i don't believe they exist, i bet dom hacked into everyhit and placed them there.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Evidence of Lex hacking into Everyhit:


2 Nine Black Alps Shot Down Mar 2005
1 Nine Black Alps Not Everyone Jun 2005
1 Nine Black Alps Unsatisfied Aug 2005

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

well i did think the '8' for 'Show Me Love' might be a typo but perhaps not.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Robyn covers Saul Williams:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-418537696859973739

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 January 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's Robyn's "Show Me Love".
http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2EXGE3QRRCNE627YNLLIICS6E3

Let's just say I'm thankful she's since changed direction.

davidsim (davidsim), Saturday, 7 January 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's just say I'm thankful she's since changed direction.

Wha???!!! This is one of the best R&B/pop singles of the mid-90s.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 7 January 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link


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