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anyway untouchables is totally classic!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

for every stilted "I will protect this city for it what I am to be doing with my destiny"-type line in Untouchables there's 80 hellish obvious, miserable Stone cliches in Scarface. There's some beautiful trash in Scarface but I find it unwatchable without the ol' FFWD.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

man i gotta see scarface again

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

they should do one of those "director's cut's" of Scarface where DePalma makes the film shorter. His vision was, and I'm barely paraphrasing "Cubans blowing up! COCAINE! GUNS!" and Oliver Stone had this thing about how all the mud people (as well as the gays and the military-industrial complex, but that's in other movies) were going to destroy America (it's a reoccuring theme). If we could just slice some of those scenes out and keep the "FAAHK YOU! *kablooey!*" stuff it'd be super.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i want a dvd with just the donald sutherland scene from jfk

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

mr x!

kephm, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Donald Sutherland was totally underutilized in every film discussed on this thread so far

TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate lazy cultural experiences. My favourite film is probably Jaws.

These two comments contradict themselves.

So I said how much I liked GoodFellas, pointing out different scenes and ways of ediiting and direction. You said that you don't like it because you're supposed to like it and you hate how frat boys don't do Joe Pesci impressions right, and it's too loooong. No offense, Nick, but you're not making much of an argument here.

And yes, I took more from After Hours than him being covered in paint at the end. It still featured Griffin Dunne and Tommy Chong in it, still had a basic "guy-gets-into-wild-wacky-situations" plot, and still had plain obvious metaphors like guys chasing twenty-dollar bills around and getting into trouble because of it. It's not the worst movie in the world, but Alex is the first person I've ever met who had such a hard-on for this movie. You're right, maybe if I was PP in NYC, I'd dig it more, but for me now, I can see why GoodFellas gets the DVD box treatment and After Hours is only played at eight in the morning on Cinemax.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post)And thank god for that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

uhh dude after hours just got the dvd treatment

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post to Sutherland scene DVD) dude you also have to have the Pesci scenes! AW MAN IT'S A RIDDLE WRAPPED IN A MYSTERY INSIDE AN ENIGMA, MAN!!!

all I ever wanted to be...was a catholic priest...

plus John Candy! YER AS CRAZY AS YO MAMA! GOES TO SHOW ITS IN THE GENES!

Joe Queenan has an essay where he talks about how the proof that Kevin Costner was on the wrong track was Joe Pesci's wig. Any conspiracy that was able to bump off a prez and get away with it would have stopped him and made him where a more believable fro.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Also how can we have gone this long without mentioning The King of Comedy which is probably next to Goodfellas my favorite Scorcese film.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

mah fellow Donald Sutherland fans seriously need to see Klute and Invasion of the Body Snatchers if they haven't already. Plus Don't Look Now!

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

They need to make more gangster movies like Animal House

TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

a very good movie (i think scorsese sees it as a failure though, maybe because it bombed) (xxp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

sutherland in body snatchers is one of my favourite performances ever

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

uhh dude after hours just got the dvd treatment

Oh, a two-disc set with commentary from the cast, documentaries, and the like? I must've missed that, just like I missed it being nominated for Best Film of that year.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

are you being sarcastic?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

oh sorry dude it only got the ONE-disc treatment, yeah it must be a total piece of shit

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude people be some nasty bitches when discussing Scorsese films, I think you have all been watching too many Scorsese films

TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck you pay me

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Because I'm a loudmouth who can't just sit on my opinion, but I think Scorcese seriously lost something after Taxi Driver (in the book Easy Rides, Raging Bulls they reveal he lost probably 3/4 of his blood stream thanks to cocaine -everyone needs to read this book, few books equally focus on the making of a film AND who the people were fucking) and never quite got it back since. Goodfellas is fun, and that short film Life Lessons in New York Stories is great, but from Raging Bull there's been too much of an overemphasis on style for my tastes. Haven't seen Bringing Out The Dead though or After Hours.

Haha where's the Kundun love???

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

mah fellow Donald Sutherland fans seriously need to see Klute and Invasion of the Body Snatchers if they haven't already. Plus Don't Look Now!

Fans of Donald Sutherland's ass should rent Don't Look Now first.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

or Animal House!

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Donald's Suthern land, hyuk hyuk

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

don't forget the dirty dozen.

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

it is true that after goodfellas scorsese went into a seriously depressing decline

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I blame Age of Innocence!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Name ONE jungle tune which sampled dialogue from that!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Donald Sutherland's best performance - Kelly's Heroes.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link


I like "Casino" a lot...if one can say "the ultimate Sharon Stone" role with a straight face, then say it...and I think De Niro is really, really good in "Casino" as well.

"Goodfellas" is a great movie about food...the mob stuff always seemed somewhat seconday. Paulie shaves the garlic with a razor blade, they had to cook the steaks in a pan, he used too much garlic in the sauce but it was still a good sauce. But yeah, as noted above, the problem with "Goodfellas" is Henry Hill. I think Liotta does a fine job--it's the basic idea. HH's supposed to be a kind of innocent here?

I also like "After Hours" fine, not a great Scorcese film but a good New York movie (which of course all Scorcese films are). Still, Scorcese has never topped "Mean Streets." "Raging Bull" is to me wayyyy overrated. "Gangs of New York" really sucked except for Day-Lewis, bad film of great book. "Taxi Driver" seems somewhat dated '70s film to me...I like the music, though, and it's certainly got its merits. The rest of Scorcese I pretty much dismiss. To me it's all about "Mean Streets," "GFs" and "Casino."

And I love Sutherland and the remake of "Invasion of Body Snatchers." One of the great yuppie-fear movies ever.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

HH's supposed to be a kind of innocent here?

?

No, he's supposed to be a criminal. He is, in fact, someone who's very passionate about being a criminal. You can have as much sympathy for that as you choose, but either way, his punishment is poetic.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah he's a really ambiguous character, i don't see what people are having trouble with here

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps we should familiarize ourselves with the concept of the "anti-hero"

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

you don't need to identify with him to think it's a great performance. he's not an innocent: but he's not a major player like pacino in scarface.

ENRG (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the key to enjoying goodfellas is never talking about it with film geeks ever.

amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

the key to enjoying most things is similar.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the key is to just watch that scene where deniro is smoking at the bar and "sunshine of your love" is playing over and over again

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh

amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Ally wtf?! STING is in Dune ergo it is NOT good! Excellent camp value though, to be fair.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

do we really need ANOTHER rock album?

Depends on who by.

Once again....."Goodfellas" is a great, great movie, but it's the genre itself (mob/gangster movies) that's so damn tired.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the key to enjoying goodfellas is never talking about it with film geeks ever.

I'm breaking your rule just by asking this, but what do you mean? Seems like it'll stand up to scrutiny as well as anything.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but alex but but but

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Rock album !!!= gangster movie, wtf?!

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

CAMP?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sure, it's just that you get caught in a neverending "omg it's the best film ever!"/"no it sucks" debate, where there appears to be no middle ground.

amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

that was to kenan

amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

have any of you people even SEEN Mean Streets? I can't believe nobody feels an urge to discuss that one.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i still think he should've called mean streets season of the witch

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

you mook

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link


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