les rallizes denudes rfi

also recommend Tachikawa December 17th 1976. Not sure what label its on. Good show, good sound.

Very few of the Rallizes records were ever released "officially" in the first place. One discog I looked at listed only Live '77, their side of Oz Days, and the 7"EP as being official. [...] I'm just pretty excited to have some of them, myself... :-)

yeah, that's how i feel. there's clearly a demand, so someone might as well meet it. hell, i've read that only live 77 and the single are really/truly official. who knows?

will definitely try & DL the france demo you mention. haven't heard it, sounds amazing.

i didn't 'rallizes' before that improvspirit was john b from oz days gone by...

any clues where i might find a dload of the france demo?

I think buying these versions of Les Rallizes stuff is not too objectionable. Pretty much the entire Rallizes catalog is bootleg and it was tolerated even before the digital file swapping era. On the other hand, stuff like the Flower Travellin' Band material being bootlegged/pirated is really bad news. Phoenix seems to be taking some of their cues from the Japrocksampler material. A few years after Krautrocksampler a lot of legit reissues of rare German records started showing up on various labels, to everyone's benefit. Would there have been the Kraftwerk re-masters or the Neu! box set without the interest generated by this book and other artists and writers turning people on to the stuff at the same time? I sincerely doubt it. One of the worst consequences of pirate operations like Phoenix is that they basically destroy any chance of a legit, licensed, decent-sounding official reissue by sucking up all the demand with their BS needledrop bootlegs. I'm appalled that Forced Exposure carries Phoenix's stuff. Anyone ever inquire about that? Sorry for the derail, this has been on my mind a lot lately...

"i can't imagine that anyone got rich off jacking it"

the guy sells to distros and stores ALL OVER THE WORLD. he's making money. i actually did bring this up to someone at FE. cuz i reviewed the search party album in my column and told people NOT to buy the cd but instead download it illegally until someone put out a legit one. i didn't get the cd from them, but they sell it. same guy who does radioactive/fallout has the xian psych label. i wish that FE would stop selling that stuff, but what am i gonna do.

hell maybe this is legit. never knew it existed. don't know the label either.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001M2IXAO/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000009GPX&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0TES9WCSCK40ZQBJVRDZ

i want that german oak album too. will not buy it if its that scummy guy's boot. would pay extra money for fancy legit vinyl.

I think buying these versions of Les Rallizes stuff is not too objectionable.

I object to the fact that one of the CDs I bought is a dud, how much extra does it cost this motherfucker to use a decent pressing plant ffs? So are the vinyl versions decent quality pressings then?

Merry-Go-Round Records (a division of S. Korea's Beatball Record) reissue of Montgomery Chapel is legit. mini-LP gatefold, repro'd liner notes, i don't know of any other. such an awesome album. holier-than-thou squares not taking drugs to make music for others to take drugs to.

in their first incarnation, Heavy... and Blind Baby... were already shameless boots, even if the pressed CDs gave them an air of legitimacy. so i wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Forced Exposure also carried the much-loathed Monk & Doxy labels.. Monk is expensive 'bootlegs' of old-time material without any liner notes & ugly packaging; doxy is more just straight bootlegs of stuff like hank williams & lightnin hopkins rarities. ugh.

tbh, if it were up to me i would not really even want to carry a lot of the phoenix stuff at the store, but we've had ppl coming in for weeks asking if we were gonna get those denudes rekkerds..

One of the worst consequences of pirate operations like Phoenix is that they basically destroy any chance of a legit, licensed, decent-sounding official reissue by sucking up all the demand with their BS needledrop bootlegs. I'm appalled that Forced Exposure carries Phoenix's stuff. Anyone ever inquire about that? Sorry for the derail, this has been on my mind a lot lately...

― FRESH MEAT (MFB), Friday, September 3, 2010 6:46 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

i see yr point, but don't know that this is true in the case of FTB. can't imagine that he sold more than a few thousand copies of that thing internationally. if there was ever enough interest to justify a legit reissue, it still exists. hell, i'd buy it again just to get right with god, and i imagine a lot of the people who bought radioactive/phoenix copies (hardcore music geeks, all of us, i guarantee) would do the same.

both the FTB and rallizes LPs sound excellent, imo. packaging sucks, but i have no problem with the sound or the pressing quality.

a lot of the time, it seems to me, a steady stream of bootlegs aimed at geeks does more to build up and maintain interest than it does to diminish it. but who knows...

dude, selling "a few thousand copies" of a CD that retails for $17 (more in the case of the LPs) with no royalty payments or label hassles equals more money that most people on this board make in a month. and the guy has like 40 bootlegs out under the new label name! want a straight up needledrop of Silver Apples? every release of his that gets purchased funds more blatant thievery.

http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/phoenix.records.uk.html

Phoenix put out a copy of the Fraction album (twice according to discogs). And I know that Mexican Summer is putting it out as well, and they claim this: "At long last, the FIRST fully authorized reissue of the psychedelic hard rock private press to end them all." And they also have a Bobb Trimble single as well. Are they somehow involved with this Phoenix label at all? Or am I way off base here

i'll bow out here cuz i don't want to arouse any more ire. wasn't trying to defend the radioactive/phoenix dude(s) on any level. if anyone wants to license and press up legit copies of FTB's satori, i will pay good money for one.

@ Ward: Its all over Soulseek. Or so I've heard... ;-)

i don't want some blone out 20-minute drug drone reverb epic to come on when i'm biking to work. it's unsuitable.

I'm sure Mizutani would sympathise with this.

Sure he's also laughing in his bunker, somewhere, on how this stuff has gone. While others release every gig and note he's not even bothering and then you read news of a 'release'. Think a quid is too much to spend.

French Demo tape...is ok, I guess, never made a huge impression but I'll re-listen - only ever return to Live '77 and a gig from about '93 or so and a couple of other things.

live 77 is one of the greatest rock records, no challop

like raw power, neu! 75, second edition, evol great

saw the ethan mousike doc last night (in a theater!), it totally rules, just heady washes of guitar and long shots of blackness (rallizes shows were apparently lit by flashbulbs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHpLkDYfjew

would like to see that doc. is it coming out on DVD or anything?

That is a fantastic clip! I love the particularly thick, mean sound of it.

Had heard bad things about this doc, but of course I have to see it anyway.

Thanks for the clip - would be great to see it in the cinema. Preferably IMAX.

i mean the documentary is just like listening to a live bootleg but there's someone ineptly filming the event

total magic

Today My Life Changed (RFI: Rallizes Denudes)

Lol, linked to that cracking youtube on another thread -- ilx has too many Rallizes thread (or not enough, depending on your POV)

Saw someone posting a few gigs from the 80s on youtube a few weeks ago, its in colour and takes away the mystique, but it sounds quite good.

Rallizes played some shows w/avant-garde theatre groups headed by Shuji Terayama so the punishing volumes and strobe lighting in that setting were (I guess) meant to heighten the tension.

"i can't imagine that anyone got rich off jacking it"

new the table is the table sn

Man, I was at that documentary screening too, at the Spectacle - I didn't enjoy it but I guess I just don't enjoy the whole lot of amateur-shot concert footage documentaries. I went in to it thinking there'd be more of a narrative structure. Am definitely humming the bass line of night of the assassin everywhere tho.

Glad to know I'm not the only one that does that.

3-way tie between that, Flames of Ice and The Last One.

aww, they are fans of H!tler ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJCMJPgLCZM

^ Trying to think what Rallizes song the opening of The Everly Brothers' version of Love Hurts reminds me off.

Its probably Night of the Assassins but I swear there is something else.

Epic article on the Rallizes myth:

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/les-rallizes-denudes-feature

Despite stints in studios and alleged talks with Richard Branson and Virgin Records, Les Rallizes Dénudés never issued any official material until 1991.

lol #1

took me years to discover the source of that bass line on assassins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Follow_Him#Cover_versions

also lifted by amon duul ii on the only memorable part of carnival in babylon

epic article contains actually zero information about band lol

no lime - I know of that source for the bassline. The interesting thing about rallizes which not really many people acknowledge is how much in love with 50s rock n' roll they were (everyone thinks the starting point for this stuff is a mix of Blue Cheer and Doors amped up). That guitar at the beginning of the Everly's cover is pure rallizes.

Its a terrible piece, the worse was the speculation on Haino and Mizutani at the end. The article by Cummings from '99 (and various reviews) still is the best piece I've seen on this stuff. Hilarious (and not too surprising) that he hates that book by Julian Cope.

Cummings should not be too harsh on it, he has always struck me as being v very aware of making this stuff into 'esoterica'. A trap this piece falls head into. I'd love to know what they've 'influenced'.

Not be too harsh on his own writings, that is. I'm sure the Cope book is terrible.

the cope book is terrible, though the list at the end is very valuable

I had a chance to chat with Kawabata briefly at Terrastock 7 about Cope's book and he was diplomatic, but noted that it didn't help when album sleeves were shown of a completely different release from the one he was talking about.

If that piece had been written by an ilxor and/or had not appeared on a corporate website it would no doubt be getting plenty of plaudits. The fact that it contains zero information is kind of the point of the article, isn't it? It's a piece about the mystery, and speculation is fair game, as is characterising Rallizes as esoterica (which is how I've always regarded them).

ha yeah, i didn't think it was a bad article (maybe a little overlong).

i learned a couple of things anyway ... i'm not as steeped in it as others though.

If that piece had been written by an ilxor and/or had not appeared on a corporate website it would no doubt be getting plenty of plaudits.

What does where the article has appeared or whether the person who wrote it posts on here has to do with anything? Appreciate the posting but it isn't that good.

I don't find 'em that mysterious either. Some people who make things choose not to talk about it, or release that much. And because of the kind of group that was, i.e. one that was ever going to appeal to twenty people, it isn't too surprising that there was a revolving door policy of personnel and that was one of them was possibly then involved in political activity (or terrorism, take your pick) as many Japanese youth (and many from Europe and developed countries) were taking part in action and 'holidaying' in Palestine at that time.

Yeah, thought the writer (who might be an ilxor for all I know) went far too hard on the whole in-pursuit-of-the-mystery angle when in fact there's quite a lot of footage of rallizes out there, not to mention all those hours and hours and hours of bootlegs. It's the kind of thing that only really works when there's some kind of revelation or encounter at the end - and as that was obviously never going to happen, it made the whole thing feel pretty pointless (and the Haino/Mizutani stuff seemed like third hand gossip/speculation that added nothing to the piece).

they are one of the half dozen or so most worthwhile rock ensembles though i have never felt any need to find out about them, to gtranslate .jp pages about them, to verify the apocryphal tales about their involvement with the united red army and so forth

when in fact there's quite a lot of footage of rallizes out there, not to mention all those hours and hours and hours of bootlegs

When I first thought that listening to them might be something to do (as a result of that piece on The Wire) I couldn't find anything whatsoever for a good while. My copy of Live '77 is on this very crappy bit of vinyl with a photocopied photo of Mizutani (I kid you not). It got way better on slsk (bootleg heaven) but now you just hit youtube and there are days of it, along with pretty crappy video footage that would probably get rid of the mystique.

There are some fairly interesting angles (some which would require sometime to research and write-up), and some proper highlights comps to be done. Memory is gone but I had a top [so many versions] of The Last One.

i dunno, they're pretty mysterious to me. i mean, relative to other bands?
you guys will regret it when i'm accepting my best documentary oscar for "searching for mizutani" wherein I track him down and make him perform in dodger stadium.

an empty dodger stadium, I assume