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― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link
You mean you're not ecstatic at the return of the prodigal Fat Gaz to the Scotland squad then?
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Been away, missed that. Is his return through choice or fat(e)?
― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe leave it up to Arteta to decide which one he wants to play for?
I don't get this agreement at all, who's supposed to benefit from it? It seems like another excuse for failing against barbarians to be clinging to it now, like refusing to take penalties, or not going to the world cup because you finished runners-up in qualifying, or not sending a team to your own olympics
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it to stop cradlesnatching within the home countries?
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably - but then Nigel Quashie et al have been playing for Scotland in recent years. Maybe it's to protect England from Scholes and Owen making the same choice. That doesn't really applies to Arteta anyway, though.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
lets us nick anyone we want which is all good.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
just don't have 4 teams for one country.
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
war of conquest over shay given
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link
WTF
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Nigel Quashie has a Scottish granddad though - to play for Scotland, you have to have no more than a second generation link to Scotland. It's not like at present we're hoovering up all random Englishers who can't get a game, just the ones with Scottish grannies (you do all know that Craig Levein contacted every agent in the UK and asked them to check the lineage of all their clients just in case they had a Scottish granny and fancied a game, hence Matt Gilks?).
Not sure what, if any, precedent a nationalised British citizen with no parental or grandparental links to any of the home nations would have on this current set-up.
xpost, haha, not surprised Andy Roxburgh was involved in that. Learning a lot without it actually being any use was kind of his thing.
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
England's outstanding player not exactly high praise
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I knew that Quashie qualified (plus loads of others since I think), I just assumed the 'no Arteta' rule had some wider aspect to it. If the only thinking behind it is to stop guys like Arteta, well what's the point of that?
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Inclusion for Rooney in the top 3 is far too high, however.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
would have picked lennon upson and terry
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
forgot rob green!
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Presume is just in case every Britisher player ever fails to get caps because of all these pesky foreigners coming in and stealing their jobs? I notice that rugby and cricket don't care quite so much.
xposts
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's to avoid our country becoming a laughing stock innit
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
it's to avoid our country becoming 4 separate laughing stocks innit
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01122/MANAGERSPLASH_1122899a.jpg
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:10 (thirteen years ago) link
That will have the rest of the world quaking in their boots with mirth
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 11:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Big Sam's first press conference as England boss in two years' time: "it's time to get back to old-fashioned English virtues, no disrespect to Mr Capello but he's not English and he doesn't understand blah blah..."
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 10 September 2010 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
he doesn't understand strong defending, he's italian!
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck all that continental franco baresi 'defending', we need to get back to basics gary cahill defending.
really surprised at the lack of fuss over the best coach ye could have leaving.
tho he did have a shit WC i suppose.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:28 (thirteen years ago) link
he did shit to be fair. i honestly think harry is the man for the job. the players prob are pig ignorant enough that they favour an english boss...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the players prob are pig ignorant enough that they favour an english boss...
Not many of them play under one... apart from 'Arry
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I can see an argument for saying that if the players must have English nationality then the coach shd. I don't think I agree but it's iffy.
I'll be happy enough with an English coach cos it'll be one less bullshit excuse for continued failure and whoever gets the job will probably be due for a kick in the hubris.
― Shit Cat and Party (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i did think of that when i was writing it tom, but like, i dunno, for the weird way that job works i can see how maybe an english coach, no language barrier, etc, might be a better idea, motivation seems like the biggest part of it when you see the players so rarely.
anyone think trapp would have done a better job than capello? gotta say his motivational/organisational talent shines through hugely, if his tactics are v dull.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Capello is too good to have to put up with these cunts.
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link
quite
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
cunts = the f.a., players, jingoist media, english managers, fans etc etc
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah capello's international record is second to none to be fair, unlike the players.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
good to get a disastrous English manager out of the way before some Polack comes over here, takes our jobs, and wins the 2018 World Cup in England.
either that or, come the end of 2014: arise, Sir Paul Gascoigne.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
They're going to raise him from the dead?
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link
... sorry
tough but fair.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
xp deeply unpleasant person imo
― k¸ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
how about ray wilkins? he's worked with scolari, hiddink and ancelotti... just a thought.
― The referee was perfect (Chris), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Psycho for the job
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ Consider the source
― Shit Cat and Party (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 September 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8991881.stm
Glenn Hoddle on some Harry Potter 'pure blood' shit right there.
― The referee was perfect (Chris), Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been thinking - if we did a poll on Arteta-situtation players, what would the options be?
1) I think players should only be allowed to play for their 'primary nationality', and only have a choice if that's genuinely ambiguous (as for, say, Michael Owen/ Marcel Desailly) - "footballing considerations" shouldn't come into it.2) Players with a strong, but secondary nationality from a parent are fine (e.g. Owen Hargreaves), but players with no family connection aren't.3) Cacau/Arteta/Almunia etc are fine with me - if a nation gives them citizenship, then they should be allowed to play for it.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I tend to lean towards 2 I think. But as far as managers are concerned I like the medieval Italian city-state idea where you bring in a foreigner cos they're above the internecine squabbling.
― Shit Cat and Party (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link
(Possibly a truly cosmopolitan option 4 needed too - uncapped players should be able to play for any country they wish to, regardless of citizenship - no problems with John Barnes/Tony Cascarino etc)
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The 'rejects' team that should be allowed in every world cup would solve these problems
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Or England, to give them their full title.
― Shit Cat and Party (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link
BOOM
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 September 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
3) Cacau/Arteta/Almunia etc are fine with me - if a nation gives them citizenship, then they should be allowed to play for it.
The only problem I see with this is it isn't fair. Deco can go to Portugal before the age of 18, get a Portuguese passport in 2 years and be eligible. We cannot get a player from outside the EU to play here until he has played 50% of his national teams games in the past two years or got a special talent visa (i.e. the utd twins, lucas and denilson for their success for the brazilian national u19 or u17 teams) AND then wait five years for them to be eligible for citizenship...
if we could get every uncapped foreigner in the premiership to potentially play for england after two years, we'd only have about 5 englishers left in the team :)
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link