def got an APC vibe from some of this stuff but on thinking how poor and overcooked some of that ended up getting, probably didn't want to fully admit it. this stuff comes more Tragic Epilogue than Arrythmia or solo Beans anyway
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
adding on to what i said a while back, the creating their own world aspect will really either instantly attract or repel. it kinda makes them perfect cult artists. i've spent, what, half a week with them and already kinda become immersed in their domain. it occurs to me there are two different types of cult artists tho, the local hero and the outsider. both of them depend on the use of worlds outside of the mainstream.
the local hero uses a found, preexisting world, his immediate, localized surroundings, which attracts the people already inhabiting that world, but will often repel those looking in from outside unless they can find an 'in'. he usually shares many of the same concerns as the mainstream but expresses them in a way only immediately understandable to those who share his surroundings. however his easily relatable concerns allow the mainstream to embrace him if they can catch on to the local color, even if he is often at his most interesting before this happens. obviously the local hero has been very important to rap from the beginning and will continue to be so. he is the foundation of street rap and a big part of the reason why mainstream rap is unhealthy right now is that the usual pattern of local heros intruding on the mainstream and making everything fresh again has been broken.
the outsider, on the other hand, creates his own world, open to those that share their mindframe, but again repellent to others unless they can find that 'in'. the outsider doesn't have the advantage of a readymade local audience at hand that the local hero does, but is kind of uniquely suited to the internet age, when a sympathetic audience can easily find them in spite of location. the outsider has a more contentious relationship with the mainstream, due to his different set of concerns, and usually locked out of the process in which the mainstream refreshes itself, is much less important to the evolution of music, but often creates many of its more interesting, unfollowed ends. obviously odd future belong in this second category.
probably the reason why wu-tang is the most popular rap cult act is that they managed to successfully synthesize these two appeals
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think a risky pt for the 2nd part of that is that it can encourage solipsism in music criticism (not accusing anyone here of that)
obviously the 1st one has its own pitfalls -- condescension, mistranslation, etc
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
oh certainly, on both counts
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
suppose it's kind of a death knell, but i love the domo gen album mentioned upthread, and am surprised by deej's idea that he's not into it cuz he's too old. i mean, i'm probably way older than he is, and i like cuz it's funny and personable and the hazy/blunted cheap-ass beats appeal. it's totally a punk/indie thing on my part, which maybe sucks, but i like what i like, and i can't help that. good for nodding along to distractedly, waiting for classic lines about fucking bitches and eating cereal.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
& like these beats ... ehh. weird trippy space-y idm-y shit, not my bag
like these stuttery awkward ambient rhythms]
exactly what i like about it. plus this:
from like 8th to 10th grade me and a couple friends would pretty regularly get drunk and smoke weed and try to freestyle raps and often it would just end up a competition like who can come up with the funniest and most vulgar multisyllabic punchline raps.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wow how come everyone's up on rolling papers?
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
taking tips from the loudest voices, plus funny youtubes at the top of the thread, you know...
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the youtubes are from diff records that have been around a while, rolling papers has been out like a day, i'm like woah
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
1st new release since everyone went 'whoa'
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ basically that. plus i just downloaded it yesterday. coincidence of interest. fwiw, at the same time downloaded a bunch of gucci mane mixtapes that have been out forever (relatively speaking).
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
rolling papers just dropped yesterday, obv ppl are checking the newest joing from their camp xps
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
losing my edge right here
― worthy rappinghood (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
joint*
imo rev yr theories actually relate to this here:http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogspot.com/2009/02/hardcore-continuum-or-theory-and-its.html
see his paras towards the end on the mobile vs. the rooted in particular
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't read all of that, but i did read the part you mention. i don't think that's the same distinction i am drawing tho. the "outsider" i'm talking about isn't someone trying to play connect the dots with all these localizations at all, even when directly influenced by them (c.f. lil b), and certainly not when reacting against them, as odd future seem to be doing. this is distinctly opposed to reynolds' mobile curator, who wants to bring the real worlds of the various worlds of the local heros closer together, not build a seperate world entirely.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh last sentence reads horribly
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
take 2:
this is distinctly opposed to reynolds' mobile curator, who wants to bring the various real worlds of the local heros closer together, not build a seperate world entirely.
here's an exercize: instead of e-40 (who i was roughly modeling the local hero on) and odd future, plug in tower of power (let's keep it in the bay) and mandrill
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah its not the same but i think its interesting how, like, incompatible this stuff is w/ his theory
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i think part of the problem here is that we are talking about forces within one genre (much more musically diverse and geographically disparate than the dance genres reynolds speaks of), whereas the distinction of reynolds' 'mobile' artist is that he is 'above' genre, which doesn't apply here
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
correct. perhaps these ideas are not related at all
idk its late
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
the reason i'm enamored w/ ofwgkta & young l & lil b is that i find them all to be exciting & inspiring & invigorating which isn't something that i can say for almost every other rap out -- there's def an element of what noz says -- it's a very primal sort of feeling: kids with ideas just throwing everything at the wall -- it's not to say that they're all innovators, but i find so much rap right now to be post-x or post-y or following this & following that where as the tiny pants scene feels like an actual scene, where ideas are bouncing around & dudes like ofwgkta are making based/swag rap that's influenced as much by wiz khalifa as anything & lil b has gotten obsessed w/ 90s nola music and young l is just out there pretty much doing lil b raps over warped hyphy beats & yet it all feels homogeneous but each is very identifiable and different
sorry for rambling, hope that makes sense -- but long story short this is the rap shit right now where if i'm talking to someone and the conversation lags i just want to bring up ofwgkta & young l
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i think what doesnt work for me w/ lil b that worked well for g*cci is that there is a sense of order & structure, systematic-ness w/in the latter's unpredictable styles whereas B feels so all-over-the-place its more disorganized, so i dont get as much enjoyment bcuz theres like no tension -- its like, 'well, his next song could literally sound like anything.' so i dont really need to hear it. imo there needs to be more tension between the predictable & unpredictable in his music. its like my thing w/ 'free jazz' -- at some pt if it doesnt have some constraints its like not listening to anything at all
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
new sn
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link
just has a nice ring
https://mail.google.com/mail/e/35D
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link
'pertinent' is a gucci word
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
can imagine him using it when he tells his girl to 'stop the rhetoric'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
what inspired that thought re: Lil B was what u said about him following New Orleans shit right now -- see thats interesting, if he makes a bunch of diff nolia variations or something & that becomes one of his approaches, and then he adds another approach, and another, i could see that start to seem more interesting / fun -- 'how will he combine n.o. beat with ...' x style or y style etc
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8HsfWeZpL4
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
lots of xps back to j0rdan: yeah there's a kitchen scene aspect, maybe even borderline chaos to ofwgkta that i find exciting and appealing and distinctive from almost any other rap out, like all sorts of inexplicable shit i don't expect is liable to happen at any time. i mean like, halfway through domo's kinda mellow, spacey album, you have no reason to think something like "super market" is about to drop
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link
there's something inherently likable about kids this age just fucking around & acting like dickhead teenagers
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yes!
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
& hovering around all this shit is soulja boy who's doing this in the pop universe, or at least with a pop-sized following (altho i do think that "pretty boy swag" can def be called the first [& only?] based radio hit)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ earl's "mom" calling him a faggot :-/
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
damn, i still haven't heard "pretty boy swag" (only jeezy's meh freestyle over it). i should remedy that.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the song is a bit tedious -- it's better in the context of radio
gucci's verse on the remix is yoga flame tho
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:45 (thirteen years ago) link
like i catch myself singing it rather frequently but when you try and listen to it it feels 10 mins long
i'm just happy that another amusical soulja boy song is a hit -- makes the world more fun
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i endorse any album that opens by saying FUCK 2DOPEBOYZ
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:49 (thirteen years ago) link
:D
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 07:01 (thirteen years ago) link
FUCK NAH RIGHT
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 07:03 (thirteen years ago) link
feels 10 mins long
yeah kinda got this from jeezy's take
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 07:06 (thirteen years ago) link
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― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
only a minute in and yeah ^^^this. Spending this week catching up w/ ilm (that currensy worth listening to? the thread is p huge)
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the beat for parade is ridic imo
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:20 (thirteen years ago) link
the currensy is worth hearing but not his best work
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
rihanna haircuttell chris brown to fuck me up
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i like tyler's album the best
this is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiiqqBw47HU