Haha Jesus. Bury em in paperwork. I suspect you're right that the Joker himself is, in a tautological kind of way, responsible for the ubiquity of the exact twitchy psychopath-by-numbers performance that chafed my vagina so much in Dark Knight. How Jokerish of him.
One thing I really did like was how the Joker kept commandeering everyone's televisions, like in the TV show. That was awesome. "This... is the Joker!" "Whaaa?!"
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i really need to watch more twitchy psychopath-by-numbers movies
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything I feel I've seen too much cool, collected Hannibal Lecter/Jigsaw shit of late
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
ha the first thing that popped to mind when reading the phrase "twitchy psychopath-by-numbers" was "Muriel's Wedding"
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
a body count is exactly what that movie needed
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9OQsAWE3Eg
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unw5gZj5OS8
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Or another kind of crazy: Pentecostal preachers who speak in tongues. That would actually be a great villain. The Preacher.
see, e.g., robert deniro, cape fear.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ha that reminds me that I meant to mention this earlier:
http://library.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/graphicnovels/img/preacher1.jpg
(not a villain, though)
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Can the Joker kill Garth Ennis?
― (¬_¬) (Nicole), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
im with croups. so few movies go far genuinely showy bad guy performances any more. it's all freakin timothy olyphant (who i generally like) frowning his way thru die hard 4
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
like im straining ot think of anything vaguely recent with a big bad guy who is actually kinda big and wacky and not just a 4th-generation creepy hannibal lecter knockoff (you'd really prefer another variation on THAT cliche tracer??)
ledger was awesome, so fun to watch, so unpredictable
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
timothy olyphant and his sidekicks were a steep drop from alan rickman and his posse of awesome eurotrash (all of whom kind of memorable even if they were only onscreen for a couple minutes apiece.)
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:47 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i double-take every time this happens
― ledge, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
every time... what... happens?
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
someone brings up Ledger, which I am assuming based on username is his name
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I've got nothing against showiness, FWIW, but I did think it was incredibly predictable.
Not sure what you mean about Hannibal Lecter rip-offs. IIRC Hopkins was basically just a kind of oleaginous, exaggeratedly polite dude with a weakness for human flesh.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I think what bothered me about Ledger was that it's like OK, yes, good job acting "maniacal" but what's at stake? What does he want? Why does it matter if he gets it? I don't want the answers from the script, I want them from the give-and-take in a scene. Ledger/Nolan's Joker was in his own little world the whole time. Maybe you'll say yes, that's who the Joker is, he's in his own little world. Well, OK, but that leads to some pretty static, one-note perfs.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know. i'm not sure i care very much about his motives, in the context of superhero movies (in other kinds of movies, i care a lot). in part it's because i'm not much of a fan of superhero films, but -- in particular -- i've been really bored by the "origin stories." it's one of the reasons that, in this genre of films, the second movie is often better than the first (it isn't bogged-down in the characters' origins and/or motivations).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dramateacher Hand
― goole, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it becomes clear over the film that the joker just wants everything to burn - that he just gets off on the chaos and perversion of it all
i mean, it's so clear that it's even in the dialogue
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean the whole point was to play off the "who is he REALLY" thing and show it up as being kind of useless - i thought that was cool
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:40 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
see some more bad serial killer movies. they're all freakin' polite and mannered now
or at least were for 10+ years after silence o the lambs
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I think what bothered me about Ledger was that it's like OK, yes, good job acting "maniacal" but what's at stake? What does he want?
as s1 says, that's just the point. he doesn't give a shit at all. for him, nothing is at stake. you can make the case that that's not necessarily good drama, but it's not because of the performance.
― caek, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
hoping next movie is batman v. angry human centipede.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
would allow them to acknowledge a lot of minor entries in the rogue's gallery, something i wish more superhero films would do in a montage or something
Argh, no. Dick Tracy did this and it was a terrible misuse of characters.
― tricked by a toothless cobra, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I don't know why Heath Ledger didn't consult me before taking on this role. LEARN FROM THE BEST, DUDE.
Anyway this is distracting from the real tragedy of Dark Knight, which is that Gary Oldman's mustache was scandalously unmentioned in the credits.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Ledger's performance is natural, haunted, tragic. I don't really care for the movie that much when he's not on screen, but it's easily one of my 10 favorite performances ever. Reminds me of Brando in Last Tango in Paris.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, to be more precise, I barely tolerate the movie when he's not on screen.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
you hiss and swear at the screen and stamp your feet
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
more like reload ilx
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
matt otm. the performance is amazing: vibrant, funny, endlessly surprising. by far the best thing about either of nolan's batman movies, maybe the only good thing. totally mystified by tracer's objections.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
wow
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Well I've tried to explain it from about 8 million angles but at this point I'm just being annoying so I'm not going to try again. Actually probably well before this point. This movie sucked btw.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
*overturns table and storms out*
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
HAND OUT
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Let me know if they need to come to my office for discipline.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed with this pretty much
Nolan's filmography can perhaps be summed up by the iconic shot of the Joker in The Dark Knight, sticking his head out the police car window, oblivious to the dangers around him—an image of freed chaos. It's a small, lyrical moment, and it feels like it happened by accident. The shot is surrounded by so much plot detritus that it feels like a scream from a smarter, better film.
― caek, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the movie is dope
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
a lil heavy handed but yeah -- forget joker, the opening scene is one of the best opening scenes in an action movie everrr
My least favorite major hit of the last five years. I put it on my Netflix queue to see if I still hate it.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Too bad about the rest of the movie.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
probably my most favorite major hit of the past 5 years
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
you should put it on your netflix queue to see if you still love it
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I finally did: I was right.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
well we haven't heard from deej yet
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Come Anticipate Rewatching The Dark Knight.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I will always have love for this because of the nice shots of Chicago and because I took my dad to the IMAX rerelease and he geeked hilariously hard over it, but that ending monologue never made any serious sense to me until someone on Tumblr captioned a picture of Kanye with it in the wake of the Taylor Swift fiasco
― A B C, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:57 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i own it but ill put it in my netflix queue anyway
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link