Batman carries on beginning in ... The Dark Knight

I just wanna say GI Joe would have been awesome awesome awesome if it wasn't for Marlon Wayans and Joseph Gordon Levitt being too chicken to use the actual Cobra Commander voice

you will never be the new heath ledger with that kind of cowardice, JGL

Haha Jesus. Bury em in paperwork. I suspect you're right that the Joker himself is, in a tautological kind of way, responsible for the ubiquity of the exact twitchy psychopath-by-numbers performance that chafed my vagina so much in Dark Knight. How Jokerish of him.

One thing I really did like was how the Joker kept commandeering everyone's televisions, like in the TV show. That was awesome. "This... is the Joker!" "Whaaa?!"

i really need to watch more twitchy psychopath-by-numbers movies

if anything I feel I've seen too much cool, collected Hannibal Lecter/Jigsaw shit of late

ha the first thing that popped to mind when reading the phrase "twitchy psychopath-by-numbers" was "Muriel's Wedding"

a body count is exactly what that movie needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9OQsAWE3Eg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unw5gZj5OS8

Or another kind of crazy: Pentecostal preachers who speak in tongues. That would actually be a great villain. The Preacher.

see, e.g., robert deniro, cape fear.

ha that reminds me that I meant to mention this earlier:

http://library.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/graphicnovels/img/preacher1.jpg

(not a villain, though)

Can the Joker kill Garth Ennis?

im with croups. so few movies go far genuinely showy bad guy performances any more. it's all freakin timothy olyphant (who i generally like) frowning his way thru die hard 4

like im straining ot think of anything vaguely recent with a big bad guy who is actually kinda big and wacky and not just a 4th-generation creepy hannibal lecter knockoff (you'd really prefer another variation on THAT cliche tracer??)

ledger was awesome, so fun to watch, so unpredictable

yes

timothy olyphant and his sidekicks were a steep drop from alan rickman and his posse of awesome eurotrash (all of whom kind of memorable even if they were only onscreen for a couple minutes apiece.)

ledger was awesome, so fun to watch, so unpredictable

― real s1ock (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:47 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i double-take every time this happens

every time... what... happens?

someone brings up Ledger, which I am assuming based on username is his name

ledger was awesome, so fun to watch, so unpredictable

I've got nothing against showiness, FWIW, but I did think it was incredibly predictable.

Not sure what you mean about Hannibal Lecter rip-offs. IIRC Hopkins was basically just a kind of oleaginous, exaggeratedly polite dude with a weakness for human flesh.

I think what bothered me about Ledger was that it's like OK, yes, good job acting "maniacal" but what's at stake? What does he want? Why does it matter if he gets it? I don't want the answers from the script, I want them from the give-and-take in a scene. Ledger/Nolan's Joker was in his own little world the whole time. Maybe you'll say yes, that's who the Joker is, he's in his own little world. Well, OK, but that leads to some pretty static, one-note perfs.

i don't know. i'm not sure i care very much about his motives, in the context of superhero movies (in other kinds of movies, i care a lot). in part it's because i'm not much of a fan of superhero films, but -- in particular -- i've been really bored by the "origin stories." it's one of the reasons that, in this genre of films, the second movie is often better than the first (it isn't bogged-down in the characters' origins and/or motivations).

Dramateacher Hand

it becomes clear over the film that the joker just wants everything to burn - that he just gets off on the chaos and perversion of it all

i mean, it's so clear that it's even in the dialogue

i mean the whole point was to play off the "who is he REALLY" thing and show it up as being kind of useless - i thought that was cool

Not sure what you mean about Hannibal Lecter rip-offs. IIRC Hopkins was basically just a kind of oleaginous, exaggeratedly polite dude with a weakness for human flesh.

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:40 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

see some more bad serial killer movies. they're all freakin' polite and mannered now

or at least were for 10+ years after silence o the lambs

I think what bothered me about Ledger was that it's like OK, yes, good job acting "maniacal" but what's at stake? What does he want?

as s1 says, that's just the point. he doesn't give a shit at all. for him, nothing is at stake. you can make the case that that's not necessarily good drama, but it's not because of the performance.

hoping next movie is batman v. angry human centipede.

would allow them to acknowledge a lot of minor entries in the rogue's gallery, something i wish more superhero films would do in a montage or something

Argh, no. Dick Tracy did this and it was a terrible misuse of characters.

Yeah I don't know why Heath Ledger didn't consult me before taking on this role. LEARN FROM THE BEST, DUDE.

Anyway this is distracting from the real tragedy of Dark Knight, which is that Gary Oldman's mustache was scandalously unmentioned in the credits.

Ledger's performance is natural, haunted, tragic. I don't really care for the movie that much when he's not on screen, but it's easily one of my 10 favorite performances ever. Reminds me of Brando in Last Tango in Paris.

ok, to be more precise, I barely tolerate the movie when he's not on screen.

you hiss and swear at the screen and stamp your feet

more like reload ilx

matt otm. the performance is amazing: vibrant, funny, endlessly surprising. by far the best thing about either of nolan's batman movies, maybe the only good thing. totally mystified by tracer's objections.

Ledger's performance is natural, haunted, tragic. I don't really care for the movie that much when he's not on screen, but it's easily one of my 10 favorite performances ever. Reminds me of Brando in Last Tango in Paris.

wow

Well I've tried to explain it from about 8 million angles but at this point I'm just being annoying so I'm not going to try again. Actually probably well before this point. This movie sucked btw.

*overturns table and storms out*

HAND OUT

Let me know if they need to come to my office for discipline.

agreed with this pretty much

Nolan's filmography can perhaps be summed up by the iconic shot of the Joker in The Dark Knight, sticking his head out the police car window, oblivious to the dangers around him—an image of freed chaos. It's a small, lyrical moment, and it feels like it happened by accident. The shot is surrounded by so much plot detritus that it feels like a scream from a smarter, better film.

i think the movie is dope

a lil heavy handed but yeah -- forget joker, the opening scene is one of the best opening scenes in an action movie everrr

My least favorite major hit of the last five years. I put it on my Netflix queue to see if I still hate it.

a lil heavy handed but yeah -- forget joker, the opening scene is one of the best opening scenes in an action movie everrr

Too bad about the rest of the movie.

probably my most favorite major hit of the past 5 years

you should put it on your netflix queue to see if you still love it

I finally did: I was right.

well we haven't heard from deej yet

Come Anticipate Rewatching The Dark Knight.