I never really read comic books when I was little, but my impression of the Joker was that he was just a mean motherfucker who liked to make fun of people and create spectacular, nonsensical crimes, rather than being some sort of ADD neurotic.
well, you were wrong
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
also, Joker played straight = Two-Face
kind of agree with tracer. always want the joker to be a supersmooth ganster sweet talking type, let the crazy manifest itself in the 'trying to kill everyone' macrodetail.
still enjoyed ledger's performance. best thing in this movie, that's for sure.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
After playing Arkham Asylum, I REALLY hope the figure out a way to use Victor Zsasz
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
use him more, I mean
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Batman: [narrating] Now the guy's got the Joker as a partner. Any problems, he goes to the Joker. Trouble with the bill? He can go to the Joker. Trouble with Gordon, deliveries, the Riddler, he can call the Joker. But now the guy's gotta come up with the Joker's money every week, no matter what. Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning, huh? Fuck you, pay me.
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
THA JOKEFATHER
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
JOKEFELLAS
― Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
JOKINO
okay are we done now
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
JOKESI DRIVER
― Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. no we clearly are not
JOKESY MALONE
― ledge, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
BLOWKER
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
gagfather
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
THE UNJOKEABLES
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
suggest bans all around then.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
angels with dirty jokes
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Also the Joker wasn't skinny enough. He needs to be wearing drainpipe trousers and an impossibly tight jacket. Wiry people are inherently untrustworthy. Beefy dudes are honest. When Ledger leaned out of the window of the cop car and shook his hair and salivated on his prosthetic muzzle a little I was struck by his brawny biceps. No way the Joker works out. No fucking way.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
You don't want Dark Knight, you want Jim Aparo presents Batman
― this isn't STRAWBERRY 0_o it's RAWBERRY (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
he wants joseph gordon levitt (not a bad shout in 20 years time maybe)
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
ha actually I would not be mad at all if they tapped him to do it if they wanted to keep the character, he was the most credible thing about "GI Joe"
yes, I saw "GI Joe", in the THEATER
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
hai guys what sucks about The Dark Knight now?
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Tracer Hand prefers Nicholson
xxp HI DERE so did I...watch Levitt ecome Robin...
― rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
omg haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the most incredible thing about gi joe was rachel nicholls in that catsuit
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I give Levitt 5 years max before he's ripped to the gills. It always happens. I never noticed before how he really is like a mini-Ledger.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
played his younger brother to good effect in ten things i hate about teen movies and horse jawed leading ladies
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I give JGL five years before he marries me.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
jgl was not heath ledgers younger brother in 10tihay
― max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
should have been, then
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
well, he wasnt
― max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
my memories of a better film really bothering u huh
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
no, its just... they werent brothers
― max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna tell everyone i meet today they were
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
fucked up thing about 10 tens i hate about you was julia stiles' character was the ledger character's sister
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
10 tens lol
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://beerslugger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/epps-300x152.jpg
l-r: Heath Ledger, Joseph Gordon-Levitt
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
no, heath ledger didnt have any siblings in 10 things i hate about you
― max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
oh Dan
― (¬_¬) (Nicole), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
It was better than "Terminator: Salvation" </ringingendorsement>
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
This is basically the Riddler in Alan Moore's Killing Joke, right? In that incarnation he's a scrawny crippled gangster with a shock of red hair - and I think it works great.
― village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I'm curious about why D4n thinks the Nolan/Ledger Joker is true to Joker-dom. I always thought the Joker was a big dandy. Permagrin, wild sharp suits. Ledger plays him as a bedraggled muttering tramp. I'd have thought the Joker would be too proud for that, too invested in his flashiness and showmanship.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
he was more bedraggled than usual but the thing Ledger really went for that no one aside from Mark Hamill in the animated series had really done is play up the straight-up anarchy streak that informs the Joker's actions
Batman is an insane dude who is all about order, law and protecting the weak.
The Joker is an insane dude who is all about disorder, chaos and preying on others.
I thought the film went to great lengths to play up these extremes, including having Batman be the more tailored, pristine-appearing figure (as that fits his psyche profile) and the Joker looking more bedraggled and less put-together (as that fits his). And at any rate, you weren't criticizing his appearance, you were criticizing his craziness, which is the defining characteristic of the character and has been since his debut in 1940 but has especially been built up over the past 25 years.
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
No that's right and yes, the contrasts couldn't have been clearer. (Although it might have been more interesting to have both Batman and the Joker be pristine dandies.)
But I wasn't criticizing his craziness at all Dan! I was criticizing that particular, shopworn craziness of the schizo light-switch flip between tra-la-la wacky and totally-fucking-scary and back again. There are so many other kinds of crazy. Like Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter. I'm not saying that would work for the Joker, but there's something infinitely creepier to me about an unflappable maniac. Like when the Wall Street Journal editorial page calmly articulates why it's in the national interest to convert all illegal immigrants into biofuels or whatever.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Or another kind of crazy: Pentecostal preachers who speak in tongues. That would actually be a great villain. The Preacher.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
But yeah, I guess you're saying that the Ledger/Nolan brand of twitchy schizo lightswitch crazy is the way the Joker is in the comic books? I guess I just didn't like the result.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
But I wasn't criticizing his craziness at all Dan! I was criticizing that particular, shopworn craziness of the schizo light-switch flip between tra-la-la wacky and totally-fucking-scary and back again.
...which, as I said earlier, has been the Joker's archetype for SEVENTY YEARS (61 if you are excluding the whimsical Silver Age iteration that is basically the TV show character)
I'm not just saying "that's how he was in the comics"; I'm saying "it is very very likely that this character is responsible for making that type of crazy so prevalent in modern storytelling". I can't prove he's the progenitor and I assume similar characters predate him, but in terms of modern storytelling and where people draw character inspiration from, you likely can draw the inspiration for an absurd number (like, maybe 90%) to the Joker.
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
it's also important to note that the joker was a scary-ass "light-switch" psycho from the very beginning of the comics in the '40s. he only really developed into the pastel-wearing wacky-go-lucky prankster because shit had to be softened during the '50s and '60s. he started to get hardcore again as '70s comics became more permissive, and then everything kinda went to hell (from tracer's pov anyway) in the '80s with the dark knight returns/death in the family/killing joke trifecta.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
haha xpost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_%28comics%29
I mean, just read through this. Dude has been like this for decades.
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link