my point is that i am sorry for being a bit of a dick. glass is raised.
― the table is the table, Monday, 18 June 2007 03:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Portia de Rossi?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I keep reading this thread title as JAWN ON THE FLOOR and thinking it's a Hollertronix thread.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.thecoolwaterband.com/landshark.jpg
― am0n, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, if Lennon's "Imagine" turned up in an army recruiting ad, I might raise an eyebrow...is there some irony being missed given that, as I understand it, Thurston is a stroller pushing Connecticut homeowner? Named Thurston?
Or maybe he rents...
I think he and Kim own a farmhouse in western Massachusetts.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
It should be titled-
"Espresso to Yr. Skull"
― stephen, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link
When is this out? I haven't seen it yet in any of the Starbucks I regularly patronize to buy delicious iced coffee drinks.
― Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:03 (sixteen years ago) link
stephen just validated this entire thread.
― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:22 (sixteen years ago) link
obviously they read this thread, took to heart its superb arguments, and changed their mind
― Matos W.K., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Bassist Kim Gordon's haunting vocals and edgy lyrics add additional depth to the numbers she sings.
Pretty sure Kim didn't write her own lyrics 'til My Friend Goo. Pretty sure Thurston's back to writing hers again.
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't get it - did they cancel it?
― Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Starbucks said "DO NOT WANT!" possibly?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Pretty sure Kim didn't write her own lyrics 'til My Friend Goo.
Is this true?? I'd always assumed that e.g. "Secret Girl" and "Shadow of a Doubt" were her words. They don't seem like Thurston's at all.
― Sundar, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link
pretty sure this isn't scheduled to come out until 2008
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost: there's a reason there isn't any individual writing credits on their LPs.
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I just noticed this upthread:
their shilling in and of itself doesn't bother me; but if pete townshend -- someone who's sold many of his songs for use in ads -- narrated a documentary on the corporatization and commodification of music, you'd think, wtf?! and yet: http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/MoneyForNothing
And I wondered why no one else appeared to see (including, apparently, the members of Sonic Youth) the blatant contradiction between narrating that movie and gettin' chummy with S-bucks.
― Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost I think she's said so in interviews.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
it seems to me that once you start to download illegally you sort of lose your right to act all self-righteous about people selling their music to commercial or stuff like this starbucks partnership.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.7andy.jp/cd/detail?accd=C1090089 02.DEATH VALLEY 69 (SAICOBABA VERSION)
ok wow....
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link
audio samples there
Yoshimi trying to ape Kim on vocals I think!
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
or Lydia.
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
so so OTM. i'm not into downloading at all and i'm gonna buy the starbucks comp. so what?
― stephen, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
1 4 : S U G A R C A N E ( V E N T I R E M I X )
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2007 09:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Starbucks seems kind of gross. Obvious soulless low-com-denom in a middle-aged, middle-class housewife sort of way (misogyny warning redacted). Plus corporate evil blah blah, but mostly just gross. I'm not talking about what Starbucks actually is, mind, just what it seems to represent, culturally, to youngish city people who give a shit about what's in season.
Meanwhile, SY are supposed to be the opposite of all that. Some kind of timeless, all-weather coolness bastion that stands in opposition to zombie cow people who buy the wrong shoes. Unfortunately, they mean the most to once-cool people who are starting to get old, maybe even wrongly shod. That's why this conjunction fucks us up. It seems to foretell the death of something, at least time's ongoing uglification of everything that used to be beautiful. No mystery at all.
Mostly I love people who get on threads to talk about how stupid threads are. Fucking rock.
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I think SY shut down this argument when they pointed out that Starbucks is in no way any "worse"/more corporate than the label they've recorded for the past 18 years.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
plus they are middle-class, middle-age
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
How inspiring.
xpost
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Have I shared with you guys my former roommate's theory that SY are older than the Rolling Stones? "Think about it," he said. "Sonic Youth had kids and stayed home with them and stuff. The Rolling Stones never did that shit!"
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:27 (sixteen years ago) link
re Alex:
Yeah, but Starbucks are much, much worse in the gross (but totally bullshit) cultural associations sweepstakes. It's like SY recording a record for Depends. Not in any way immoral, but the black cloud hangs heavy.
College kids look like fucking children nowadays. Like they're twelve or something. Was it always like that?
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link
yxpost your former roommate is hiiiiiiiiiii
It's like SY recording a record for Depends.
Huh^^^^^^^^
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link
= getting old
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Bob, SY has been my favorite band for like half my life and even I can't fathom the idea of them as some kind of "timeless, all-weather coolness bastion" that stands in opposition of everything bad in the world. Put down the pipe.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe it's just me, but that's always seemed like the marketing angle. And I'm kind of attached to the pipe. It goes with my hand.
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link
By "always", I mean since Daydream or thereabouts. And they were my favorite band for a good quarter of my life (20-30). So, I think we're in conjoined ballparks.
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:35 (sixteen years ago) link
So the marketing angle for a rock band is understood to be completely true to life and unimpeachable, but the marketing angle for a coffee shop chain is something horrible and insidious that kills everything it touches.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link
loosely translated: I HATE YOU MOM
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link
hey guys let's hate on awesome bands for stupid reasons
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Can you guys imagine if you were at a garage sale and you stumbled over a Rolling Stones comp that had been sponsored by STP oil treatment?? It would be like "oh my god, coolest thing ever"
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
SNAP
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Alex: I just mean that to the indie rock market segment (certain college kids, ilxors, etc), SY are an attractive brand. To the same market segment, Starbucks are a crap brand - associated with dumbness, bad money and shitty condominiums. I'm sure that other groups see things differently. That's why we need to have so many different commercials.
STP oil treatment is okay with me.
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
BAD MONEY
doo doo dooo
BAD MONEY for me and you
Bad Money check it and see
i don't got any moneeee
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
as Thurston said about buying CD in Starbucks vs online,
"FUCK ONLINE"
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
"To the same market segment, Starbucks are a crap brand - associated with dumbness, bad money and shitty condominiums."
This is because certain college kids, ilxors, etc, are dumbasses.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
"Hi, We're the Shitty Condominiums. We have T-shirts and seven inches for sale in the back."
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I HATE YOU MOM
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
sonic youth have one 'commodity': being sonic youth. if a large coffee retailing concern wants to pay them to do that, fine. pretty sure it's what they would be doing otherwise. they're also old. with kids. i don't begrudge them cutting any kind of deal.
i hate to find myself with a daily mail style "lol socialists grow up" kind of opinion, but there it is.
― gff, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Alex in SF & Matt H are otm
however, Starbucks coffee is not very good
― J0hn D., Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyone who doesn't get the association of Starbucks with shitty condominiums is blind, therefore forgiven, but no less blind for that. Whether and/or how you perceive the other associations I mentioned is up to you, but I don't understand the claim that SY's only cultural commodity value is "being Sonic Youth". Nothing known can be demographically meaning-neutral in that sense. How would that even be possible?
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
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― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link