Miami Dolphins Thread of Despair

i think teams still will if the qb shows them something. look at tim couch, they gave him ample time because he showed just enough to make them believe there was something there. on the other hand there's ryan leaf who could not make a correct decision even if he only had one option.

I don't know that I fully agree, I tend to think teams make up their minds too quickly nowadays on QBs. They had written off Drew Brees before he had his first pro bowl season after all, and I had never thought he was that bad.

I mean they don't really have a choice, because it's a different game nowadays....but I still wonder.

And yet the one guy who I think the book WAS pretty much written on, Michael Vick, continued to get passes from announcers. People would say things like "he's still learning the game" in his sixth season. By then, I gotta wonder.

course now he's gonna be someone's bitch in prison!

Speaking of, I'd love to see an old timers NFL game like they do in MLB. Seeing Lawrence Taylor put a hit on Joe Montana would be AWESOME! xp

that is weird that they don't do shit like that. I guess maybe because so many ex-football players suffer from dementia and extremely bad limbs. maybe if they did flag football?

Terry Bradshaw could play without a helmet then.

I love that he doesn't even try to shy himself away from those stereotypes anymore but plays into them on his commercials

An NFL oldtimers game would look like a cerebral palsy telethon.

oh man that was so wrong but that made me fucking laugh

WIN!!

WE'RE NOT HISTORICALLY BAD!

m really serious about the dolphins beating the ravens. remember i'm saying this. the ravens are really, really awful. this year, they've beat the jets by 7, the cards by 3, san fran by 2 and st. louis before they were healthy by 19. we really could win the game (it's at home btw).

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 November 2007 04:54 (2 weeks ago) Link

welp

this pretty much ruins next week's game

cleo looked good, hagan looked good, ginn made some plays...

the one win of the year and I'm on a cruise boat and miss the entire game!

not that I'm complainign, I had a great time, but it figures!

Dolphins Hire Parcells! Dolphins Hire Parcells!

He'll be running the team's football operations (not GM or Coach, tho).

He'll be running the team's football operations (not GM or Coach, tho yet).

fixed

Yeah, then he'll leave in two years and string the Falcons or the Bucs along for the third time.

Can't worry about that now. Look, Parcells may turn out to be an unmotivated or befuddled bust, but I doubt it. He isn't just another NFL retread. He's been a success wherever he goes, and he left the Cowboys' organization (which was in disarray when he arrived) in very good shape when he stepped down last offseason.

It's better than what you have, that's true. he's an NFL guy, unlike Saban and Cameron who are at heart college guys and can't handle the pros. Query whether he keeps Cam, smart money says he makes him walk the plank.

Well, he couldn't do WORSE.

He's been a success wherever he goes,

not as much of a success in the front office as he was on the sidelines but still a definite upgrade over what's there now. fact remains that the guy's a snake who always looks out for #1. ask the pats, bucs, falcons, etc.

this is FANTASTIC news for the testaverde family as, if history is any indicator, vinny will be quarterbacking the fins next year.

if history is any indicator, vinny will be quarterbacking the fins next year.

Well, he couldn't do WORSE.

^^^ True.

Is Parcells a snake? I mean, he obviously jumps teams often, and he has no regard for one franchise's feelings when he moves to another (e.g., Pats/Jets, Giants/Dallas (who hate each other)). But I'm not sure any of that should bring him so low in people's minds.

Mind you, I'm not looking to defend him (nor does he need it). I'm just asking/wondering aloud. Saban -- by contrast -- is a snake, by the way he handled his exit from the Dolphins. The Falcons coach, too.

But I'm not sure any of that should bring him so low in people's minds.

negotiating with the jets before the pats season was over was a dogshit move. i mean, they were only playing in the fucking superbowl for christ's sake. flying home on a separate flight from the team was a dogshit move. circumventing the clause in his contract with the pats prohibiting him from coaching was kind of a shitty thing. playing teams off each other to drive up his price is exactly the kind of me first bullshit i expect from him.

In Saban's defense, he left a lackluster team after the season was over. As a Tide fan, I'm happy to have him. Don't think, though, that I'm not expecting him to jet for a more prestigious offer in a season or two should one arrive on his desk.

You're happy to have him as a Tide fan? His agent has contacted WV about that job. Even if he doesn't take it, how long do you think it will be until he fucks Alabama just like he's fucked every other team??

Looks like chicago kev won't be invited to the Parcells holiday feast. I agree with you ck, he's a piece of shit, the mentor of chumps like Saban and Petrino.

Ha! That WV thing was a prank started by a blogger that got spread around.

If true, I fell for it. I give Saban two more years at Alabama.

Bleh, I hate Saban. The way he handled his exit from the Dolphins was so crass. Hectoring reporters about questioning his intentions while simultaneously (and quietly) flirting with Alabama, and telling reporters afterwards that he would have stayed if Wayne Hizinga asked him to, when -- in reality -- he told Hizinga, "Look, I want to go. I don't want to stay. But if you insist on it, I'll honor my contract and stay." Stay classy, Nick Saban.

I'd forgotten about that Parcells tidbit, Kevin. You're right. It doesn't reflect well on him. Well, I'm happy about his arrival; for now.

I don't understand why coaches have some holy responsibility to be loyal to their bosses like this is fucking old skool Japan or some such shit

If somebody offered me a 75% raise and full relocation expenses to do the same work I'm doing now you'd bet I'd bolt, you would too, and really, that's how the world goes around

I don't understand why coaches have some holy responsibility to be loyal to their bosses like this is fucking old skool Japan or some such shit

They don't, Tom. I don't begrudge Saban for leaving. It way the way he left that was tasteless and undignified. He didn't have to admit he was considering leaving -- nor should he have -- but he also didn't have to treat reporters, who were clearly onto something, like schoolchildren, and he didn't have to repeatedly lie about his situation, even after he was gone and his lies were clearly exposed.

i didn't really have a problem with they way he left. if he said "i'm taking the job" he would have been skewered a la petrino for doing it in the middle of the season. if he said "well i'm considering it" he would have been constantly pestered with questions abt whether or not he is distracted. i think he handled it about as well as a type of thing like that could be handled tbh. ppl here trash talk saban out of bitterness (understandable i guess) and bcuz they find it appropriate to deal with the shittiness of our team by mocking saban. it's very playgroundy and really tiresome, which is one of about 652 reasons why i can't stomach to listen to sports radio in this town.

Mind you, I'm not looking to defend him (nor does he need it). I'm just asking/wondering aloud. Saban -- by contrast -- is a snake, by the way he handled his exit from the Dolphins. The Falcons coach, too.

RONG.

saban's only real misstep with the bama stuff was how he addressed it w/the media. he was 100% up front and honest with Heizininngigna about the fact that he was looking for a way out. it appears that Parcells had an agreement in principle w/the Falcons, who were negotiating in good faith. backing out of it wz kind of a bitch move.

i'm not mad tho, cuz now the FLACONGS are lookin at MARRRRRTY who is the dude i wanted all along~

saban's only real misstep with the bama stuff was how he addressed it w/the media. he was 100% up front and honest with Heizininngigna about the fact that he was looking for a way out.

I'm not sure where you read this. It's my understanding that, until close to the end, Saban was assuring Huizinga that he was staying, then when he suddenly announced that he'd been offered the Tide job and wanted it, he gave Huizinga a Hobson's choice: "I want to go, but since I'm under contract, I'll have to stay if you want me to." Then, since Huizinga did the only thing he really could do, Saban turned around and told the media: "I asked permission to go and the Dolphins said okay." That, of course -- along with so many other things Saban said -- wasn't true.

Certainly Saban's conduct is no better than Parcell's with the Falcons (Parcells didn't actually have that job yet).

Or, to be more clear: That, of course -- along with so many other things Saban said -- wasn't really true, and Saban certainly wasn't being candid or forthcoming.

i can't stomach to listen to sports radio in this town.

Agreed. Hank Goldberg is worth listening to -- not his callers, but him (n.1) -- but I think he's leaving his local station (WQAM).

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(n.1) I liked Goldberg because he's knowledgeable and he seems to work instead of just spout offhanded armchair analysis. Most of the sports-talk show hosts here are just blowhards who appeal to the lowest common denomenator.

he got fired.

I thought I read in the Miami Herald that the station asked Goldberg to take a substantial pay cut and, not surprisingly, he refused and left the station. What you said implies something different to me.

Why was Goldberg fired? Was it some on-air incident?

Here's the Herald Story

Will Parcells Keep Cameron?

There is an indecisiveness about Cameron that is, at times, maddening.

There is a meekness that comes across, even through the television screen, and can't possibly inspire his players to follow him -- especially not after this disastrous season.

There is just something there that makes you say, ``Good offensive coordinator, not head coach material.''

That's exactly how I've felt about Cameron all season.

parcells is on espn right now debating the 72 fins v. 07 pats but i'm going to refuse to listen.

Cameron has put his team in holes at many times. The whole time management thing is just something he doesn't get.

I missed most of the Patriots game. I was in the middle of a caroling gig and saw the first 1.5 quarters in Chilis...then had to depart.

will be at next week's game.

Being as big biz as he is, I'm sure the owner of the Falcons has f'xd over people a heck of a lot worse than Parcells did to him last week.

Say what you will, Parcells has never left a club in worse shape than when he came on board.

I'd say Cameron has a 50/50 shot, depending how the interviews with him go and how much he can shape the coaching staff. Parcells is old Army coaching buddies with Bobby Knight, who coached Cameron as a b-ball player at IU and was credited with helping Cam get the Hoosier head football coach position. Cameron wasn't that successful at wins/losses at IU, but the offense led by Antwaan Randle El could put up some points.

Either way, you know Parcells will put one of his ex-defensive coaches in place as coordinator, which is probably one of the best things he can offer.

Say what you will, Parcells has never left a club in worse shape than when he came on board.

Not a high bar with Your Miami Dolphins, circa 2007.

i didnt really follow the dolphins so much this year so i cant speak on cameron really, but one thing i will say is that it's a loooot easier to nitpick when the onfield performance is so horrific. two guys i loved to rag on last year, jon gruden and jack del rio, are in the playoffs this year and are coaching some very good football teams. i still think gruden is garbage, but it's harder to argue with a straight face that he's the worst coach in football. bobby petrino is a guy who i could nitpick to death but without seeing what he would've done with the team given a couple years of growth, it's all just sorta... ehh. i dunno. i'm a little drunk. i just think all this peripheral stuff about a coach's, like, DEMEANOR only really comes up when their teams are tanking. cameron might have a lot of good qualities as a HC we dont know about. or mb he's str8 up garbage~

i agree w/ cankles re: demeanor and motivational abilities and that whole gray area of stuff as fans we can only speculate on best. has cam made (or at least overseen) some suspect playcalls at various points this year? yeah. but shit, cleo has w/o a doubt improved over the season (past 2 games even!!), ginn is gradually making plays, jason allen is a viable starter now and he's gotten a decent haul out of chatman/booker etc.

i think romeo crennel is a pretty good example of a dude who has undoubtedly turned around his franchise for the better after a stretch of 3-4 (idk his term exactly) of shitty seasons (i actually called him the worst coach in football in some thread b4 the season). derrick anderson, winslow, edwards have all improved over the years to the point where they are all playing at pro bowl levels. NOT TO MENTION crennel has a pretty dialed-down "demeanor" liek ppl accuse of cam.

i think at the end of 3 years if cleo/beck, ronnie, ginn, j allen/other young players + whoever our next picks are don't make obvious improvement on the field then let cam go, but i think 3 years is the period for a coach. i don't doubt for a sec that cam knows his shit.

and ppl down here like to rip on cam's personnel decisions i.e. saying ronnie might not be the starter @ the beginning of the year, not playing booker right away etc. and i find most of that to be complete bullshit in the sense that it took bledsoe to get hurt b4 we ever knew who brady was and that the same dude who picked ryan leaf also traded vick for LT/brees etc. etc. etc. etc.

profootballtalk.com has posted a rumor about Parcells stealing Crennel away from Cleveland. That's goofy even for those guys.

Ok, I'm awake now to get ready for the Fins game. I pray to God we're not wasting another trip!