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I stand...peering in, as through time,at a little window
at the oilcloth table,
at my mother, my father, at myself
a child of five, reading a primer,
mouthing the letters.

It snows, obscuring the lamp until, in a Great Plains blizzard,
I find myself in a self-constructed Eskimo igloo
waiting with the family lantern in the yard,
for father to come up the path from work,
lift me and take me inside the house
to the warm flickering wicks
before a harsh electric glare had replaced them.
I remember sitting in the snowhouse waiting.
...

Father, mother take me back even though life was harsh
in the small kitchen.
Who would have dreamed
the universe so large?

...

Can there not be miniature time? Some place where one stays
forever at the kitchen table,
on the same page of one's book,
with one's parents looking on,
an old photograph perhaps
but that would have faded.
We would not truly be there.
...

I do not recognize this alien grown up body.
I will not recognize it ever.
I am there, there, in the yellow light in the kitchen,
reading on the stained oilcloth
We are all there. I did not grow up.
...

I have rushed like a moth through time
toward the light in the kitchen.
I am safe now. I never grew up.
I am no longer lost in the mist on the mountain.

(Loren Eiseley, The Innocent Assassins)

No relation.



pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 26 April 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

"Tancred" to "tantalite" for "I"

A tree trunk is something "pressed together" and so
is money, weighed. Both produce softly graded shadows
by repeated small touches (resembling freckles), or
use "for" to become appendages capable of passing implements
through substances with circular movements.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

pepek, thanks for that poem... my god, it's wonderful.

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I second that emotion, yesa...

aimurchie, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I forgot to attribute my last poem, but of course it's Tina Darragh, from "on the corner" to "off the corner".

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks. Loren Eiseley is wonderful.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 30 April 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't want to take up much more space but for comparison, try this from Dylan Thomas:

Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs
About the lilting house and happy as the grass was green,
...Time let me hail and climb
Golden in the heydays of his eyes...

...In the sun that is young once only,
Time let me play and be
Golden in the mercy of his means...

And nothing cared I...that time allows...
so few and such morning songs
Before the children green and golden
Follow him out of grace...

Oh as I was young and easy in the mercy of his means,
Time held me green and dying
Though I sang in my chains like the sea.

(Fern Hill, of course. Which I think is the greatest poem in the English language.)

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 30 April 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

young easy apple boughs
lilting house happy grass green
time hail climb
golden heydays eyes

sun young
time play
golden mercy means

cared time allows
morning songs
children green golden
follow grace

young easy mercy means
time held green dying
sang chains sea

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 April 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

allows apple boughs cared chains children climb dying easy easy eyes follow golden golden golden grace grass green green green hail happy held heydays house lilting means means mercy mercy morning play sang sea songs sun time time time time young young young

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 April 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's compare with the Eisley:

alien blizzard body book child come dreamed electric eskimo faded family father father father find five flickering glare great grew grow grown harsh harsh house igloo kitchen kitchen kitchen kitchen lamp lantern large letters life lift light light little looking lost miniature mist moth mother mother mountain mouthing myself myself obscuring oilcloth oilcloth old page parents path peering photograph place plains primer reading reading recognize recognize remember replaced rushed safe same self-constructed sitting small snowhouse snows stained stays table table take take time time time truly universe waiting waiting warm wicks window work yard yellow

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 April 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

(Sorry, Eiseley.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 April 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, sorry, let's try this with the Eiseley:

time; little window; oilcloth table; mother; father; child; primer; letters;
lamp; Great Plains blizzard; self-constructed Eskimo igloo; family lantern; yard; path; work; house; warm flickering wicks; harsh electric glare; snowhouse;
father; mother; life (harsh) ; small kitchen; universe (large);
miniature time; place; kitchen table; same page; book; old photograph (faded);
alien grown up body; yellow light; kitchen; stained oilcloth;
moth; time; light; kitchen; [I (safe, no longer lost)]; mist; mountain

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

No poem to post. I just want to say that this thread IS my morning coffee. And shapes my day, And is often the last thing I read before sleep.

aimurchie, Friday, 30 April 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

You can be anything. Zenobia of Palmyra
startled awake in childhood by a bird
in her father's palace almost floats into the courtyard.
The cook whose boyfriend's been hauled to prison
for killing her mother writes letters never delivered
because the landlord wants to control her life, waits in the hall
to assault her when she comes back from shopping. The bourgeois wife
sleeps with her husband's banker and having given birth
to a foundling who grows up to be a semiliterate stick-up artist
must finally recognize it's her own child who's stabbed her

(''For a Diva' by Geoffrey O'Brien, whose brilliant book about pop I am relishing at the moment.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:33 (nineteen years ago) link

MARK but this flea, and mark in this,
How little that which thou deniest me is ;
It suck'd me first, and now sucks thee,
And in this flea our two bloods mingled be.
Thou know'st that this cannot be said
A sin, nor shame, nor loss of maidenhead ;
Yet this enjoys before it woo,
And pamper'd swells with one blood made of two ;
And this, alas ! is more than we would do.

The Flea, John Donne

Cathryn (Cathryn), Friday, 30 April 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Should we publish the ILB anthology yet?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

...
And when it chanced
That pauses of deep silence mock'd his skill,
Then, sometimes, in that silence, while he hung
Listening, a gentle shock of mild surprize
Has carried far into his heart the voice
Of mountain torrents, or the visible scene
Would enter unawares into his mind
With all its solemn imagery, its rocks,
Its woods, and that uncertain heaven, receiv'd
Into the bosom of steady lake.
...

- William Wordsworth, 'There was a boy...'

Archel (Archel), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oooh, ILB anthology, Archel.... that's making me quiver :D

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Friday, 30 April 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Passport

To cross the border
Between the sunflower
And the moonflower
Between the alphabet
Of handwritten
And printed events.

To be friend of all atoms
Which form the light
That sings with the atoms
For the atoms that die
To enter into all the days of one's life
No matter
whether they fall on one side or the other
Of the word
'Earth'.

This passport
Is written in my bones
On my skull, femur, phalanges and spine
All arranged in a way
To make clear
My right to be human.

Marin Sorescu

bnw (bnw), Friday, 30 April 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

read poisonous snake not snack read heavy aspirated lips pronounced as
in (insert ex. postal punctured loons falls dark fell on one side only to
read bodies errottom the whats and organs all too evident fr corol prop pt
9 and that philia to which it has in past referred p.26 1st line last para:
Huxley, one of oldest figs in Eng Lit, should read oddest

(from Errata 5uite by Joan Retallack)

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 April 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurrah! (Not my last) -- To be friend of all atoms...Of the word "Earth" is FINE.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

PS I liked THe Pope's Penis" too, but I didn't try to make my husband read it. Sharon Olds is also fine.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

PS I liked THe Pope's Penis" too, but I didn't try to make my husband read it. Sharon Olds is also fine:

Then I understood--if it had been
half a generation later
you would have been lovers, you would have married
and it seems to me I might be dead by now,
dead long since, not married, or married
badly, never had children or written any
words. I'd have died on West 12th Street, that time,
making a bomb--badly--they would have
identified me by my little finger, my
mother sitting at the precinct, holding
my cocked pinky.

To My Husband

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry about the repetition.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

:) :) :) :) :)

I think I love you, all.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 30 April 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

One mountain juts out on the west, one mountain on the east, Clearly inscribing the character "eight" right on thewater's suface. Coming and going, past and present -how much suffering? The travelers' sadness is entirely contained in these "eyebrow" peaks.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 1 May 2004 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

pepe - I have had to read "To My Husband" several times. The pinky finger....it is entirely too beautiful. My beloved, who is responsible for the broken finger, just says "Go back to ILB. You know you're going to do it anyway."

aimurchie, Saturday, 1 May 2004 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Cuttings

Sticks-in-a-drowse drop over sugary loam,
Their intricate stem-fur dries;
But still the delicate slip keeps coaxing up water;
The small cells bulge.

One nub of growth
Nudges a sand-crumb loose,
Pokes through a musty sheath
Its pale tendrilous horn.

Theodore Roethke

aimurchie, Saturday, 1 May 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

aimurchie, yes I thought of you yes and your broken pinky finger yes and of To My Husband yes when I sent that poem yes and yes and yes

I love Roethke even more than Sharon Olds. Yes.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 1 May 2004 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Some Japanese poetry for the morning:

As for the hibiscus
by the roadside,
my horse ate it.
-Basho

Napped half the day -
no one
punished me.
-Issa

aimurchie, Saturday, 1 May 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, aim & pepek, like cozen, I've developed a crush, I think... ;) What lovely, delicious posts!

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Two of my favorite haiku authors, aim... Here's another (female) I enjoy too:

The memories of long love
gather like drifting snow,
poignant as the mandarin ducks
who float side by side in sleep.

MURASAKI SHIKIBU

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Archel suggested an ILB anthology... I've not been able to shake that thought all week. If y'all would like, I'd be delighted to gather these together and send them as a Word/WP document...

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

:D Why not?

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

All gone, the snow: grass throngs back to the fields,
and trees grow out new hair;
earth follows her changes, and subsiding streams
jostle within their banks.

The three graces and the greenwood nymphs,
naked, dare to dance.
You won't live always, warn the year and the hour,
seizing the honeyed day.
...

Who knows how many tomorrows the gods will add
to day's small sum?
Whatever you spend in pleasures now, you won't
leave in your heir's moist grip.

--excerpt from IV. 7 Ode by Horace. tran. Rosanna Warren

donald, Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Abandoned unborn by my begetters
I was still dead a few spring days ago:
no beat in the breast, no breath in me.

A kinswoman covered me in the clothes she wore,
no kind but kind indeed. I was coddled & swaddled
as close as I had been a baby of her own,
until, as had been shaped, so shielded, though no kin,
the unguessed guest grew great with life.

She fended for me, fostered me, she fed me up,
till I was of a size to set my bounds
further afield. She had fewer dear
sons and daughters because she did so.

[Riddle No. 9 from the Exeter Book, translated from the Anglo-Saxon by Michael Alexander.]

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
" 'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door;
Only this, and nothing more."
Ah, distinctly I remember, it was in the bleak December,
And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
Eagerly I wished the morrow; vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow, sorrow for the lost Lenore,.
For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore,
Nameless here forevermore

Nelly Mc Causland (Geborwyn), Saturday, 1 May 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Among Our Great Cermonies

A serious love touches the universe,
the two and one of it contributing to the sum of what's real.
Not that planets or even hydrogen atoms
begin falling toward you,yet something intensifies
where you are. The different light
shed by double stars. No consensus why they form,
or how they'll dim or dazzle, perishing.

Laura Fargas ( do I love this poem? I think so. She's an attorney. I forgive her.)

aimurchie, Saturday, 1 May 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I love this! (Two of my sons are attorneys, and a third will be. Attorneys are OK. One loves to SMELL books--my first contact with ILB) Early one morning, when I was little, maybe 7 years old, I crawled into bed with my mother and we memorized this together from a poet called Saadi (I think):

If of thy mortal goods thou art bereft,
and of thy slender store
two loaves alone to thee are left--
sell one, and with the dole
buy hyacinths to feed thy soul

...one of the best memories I have of her. For some reason, Among Our Great Ceremonies reminded me of this.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 1 May 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Stop spawning lawyers! (kidding) Yours reminds me of this beauty, posted not so long ago:

The memories of long love
gather like drifting snow,
poignant as the mandarin ducks
who float side by side in sleep.

aimurchie, Saturday, 1 May 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

may I add that "Once Upon a Midnight Dreary" with the tap tap tapping had particular significance today when the Jehovah's Witnesses came tap,tap, tapping on my door. I was barely dressed...and I was on the phone ...but they are always very polite. AND as I told them I wasn't in the mood for a chat, they asked about the pinky finger!
They were both pretty darned handsome as well - I'm sure they were equally impressed with my braless tank top and long johns as couture. And hairy armpits.

aimurchie, Sunday, 2 May 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

:D! I have long since stopped spawning. One more (poem). Just one for a Sunday morning and I'll stop: From Nancy Willard's Among Angels.

PRAYER

Angel of lost spectacles
and hen's teeth

angel of snow's breath
and the insomnia

of cats, angel
of snapshots fading

to infinity,
don't drop me--

shoeless,
wingless.

Defender of Burrows,
carry me--

carry me
in your pocket of light.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Sunday, 2 May 2004 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Good enough, pepek, if you and I are the only ones to want such an ILB Anthology for our personal use - I'm fine with it. I'll use May 31 as the cut off for posts here and gather them up and email them to you. *ahem* And anyone else interested can let me know ;)

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Sunday, 2 May 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Since I have a outre fascination with the story of the "Frog Prince"...

From the Journals of the Frog Prince
-Susan Mitchell ©1983

In March I dreamed of mud,
sheets of mud over the ballroom chairs and table,
rainbow slicks of mud under the throne.
In April I saw mud of clouds and mud of sun.
Now in May I find excuses to linger in the kitchen
for wafts of silt and ale,
cinnamon and river bottom,
tender scallion and sour underlog.

At night I cannot sleep.
I am listening for the dribble of mud
climbing the stairs to our bedroom
as if a child in a wet bathing suit ran
up them in the dark.

Last night I said, "Face it, you’re bored.
How many times can you live over
with the same excitment
that moment when the princess leans
into the well, her face a petal
falling to the surface of the water
as you rise like a bubble to her lips,
the golden ball bursting from your mouth?"
Remember how she hurled you against the wall,
your body cracking open,
skin shriveling to the bone,
the green pod of your heart splitting in two,
and her face imprinted with every moment
of your transformation?

I no longer tremble.

Night after night I lie beside her.
"Why is your forehead so cool and damp?" she asks.
Her breasts are soft and dry as flour.
The hand that brushes my head is feverish.
At her touch I long for wet leaves,
the slap of water against rocks.

"What are you thinking of?" she asks.
How can I tell her
I am thinking of the green skin
shoved like wet pants behind the Directoire desk?
Or tell her I am mortgaged to the hilt
of my sword, to the leek-green tip of my soul?
Someday I will drag her by her hair
to the river--and what? Drown her?
Show her the green flame of my self rising at her feet?
But there’s no more violence in her
than in a fence or a gate.

"What are you thinking of?" she whispers.
I am staring into the garden.
I am watching the moon
wind its trail of golden slime around the oak,
over the stone basin of the fountain.
How can I tell her
I am thinking that transformations are not forever?

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Sunday, 2 May 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

This sounds a lot like Anne Sexton.... don't you think? Egad, I have developed such an ADDICTION to this! It calls out to me when I watch TV, when I fix lunch, when I am in the shower! When I read to a grandchild! I can hear its voice calling over the voice of Garrison Keillor in A Prarie Home Companion! ...log on, log on, log on....

By the way, I really love this last poem.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Sunday, 2 May 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(My band has a song based on the frog prince, not that we've released it yet or anything.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 2 May 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"Aleksander Wat's Tie"

That tie, knitted, with a thick knot
that matched perfectly a dark-colored shirt
and a tweed jacket, ravished me.

This was a really elegant fellow,
with his short-sropped black mustache.

We were introduced on Mazowiecka Street, a few steps
from Ziemianska restaurant and Mortkowicz's bookstore
(the only place in Warsaw that carried my Three Winters,
Published in an edition of 300 copies).

Whoever believes in Providence must see an Eye:
A rider from the Pamir Mountains gallops, all in rose and purple.
Then Benvenue Street in Berkeley and Wat on the couch.
His astonishment as he tries to grasp his fate.
And I, a young provincial with a tape recorder
who, it seems, was destined to bear witness.

It is true we lived together
through that horrible New Year's Supper of 1950.

Poor Wat,
he suffered enough in Kazakhstan and Tajikstan.

A beautiful tie was of no avail,
nor the street of phantoms, Mazowiecka, in Warsaw.

-Czeslaw Milosz


Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Casuistry, so does Peter Gabriel... Got lyrics you can post?

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Against my better judgment (lyrics are meant to be heard and not read), here they are:

Tattoo

The mark on my arm makes it perfectly clear
that I was once a prince among frogs.
My father made it perfectly clear
that someday, I would rule the swamp.

If you ask me, you can't make cheap enough whiskey.
If you ask me, you can't make it cheap enough.
If you ask me, you can't make cheap enough whiskey.
If you ask me, you can't make it cheap enough.

This tattoo no longer reminds me of me
though my shoes are still covered in muck.
And there are flies, more of them every day
though none of them will be eaten up.

Cause without them, who else would be listening?
And without them who else would be near me?
Without them who else would be listening?
And without them who else would kiss me?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like those lyrics Chris!

Ah, this thread has nearly warmed through my cold little wage slave heart this morning.

And YES I would like an anthology please :)

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link


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