Bashir's Michael Jackson circus......

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No, it isn't.

Ben Williams, Friday, 7 February 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

my answer to shakey's question is: possibly if i didn't think they'd come to any harm I wouldn't think twice about it, but it's so totally situational that i don't really know how to answer — how do you judge who you trust? it's clearly no longer culturally acceptable (see upthread everywhere) but that's not proof it's intrinsically harmful


alex, manson was tried and convicted in a court of law not by a television audience based on one TV programme

mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

"alex, manson was tried and convicted in a court of law not by a television audience based on one TV programme"

Oh that's right.....we only got wind of Jackson's weirdness this week. Prior to his chat with Bashir, everything was perfectly rosey and wonderful at Neverland, with no black clouds on the horizon at all.

Also, Manson didn't have the financial means to hire legal representation of the same might that Jackson entertains.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>No, it isn't.<<

So everyone who's famous in the industry is there because they really are the most talented people around? Not anyone could "be" Michael Jackson, you're right. You need someone especially twisted to "be" Michael Jackson. In that respect, you're right. But truly, is Britney Spears so incredibly talented that what she does no one else who's been trained since birth to do what she does couldn't do it? Or for that matter, be better at whatever it is that Britney Spears does?

Of course media is "uber-powerful". As it has proven time and time again, it can shove crap on society that it doesn't want, until through repetition, it accepts it (eg, Limp Bizkit). That doesn't mean Michael Jackson is devoid of talent or ability, but to believe that he's the only person who could have sung those songs and danced like that is absurd. Perhaps they wouldn't have sold 25 million units and made 15 minute music videos, but they could and would have been successful.

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Alan

Alan Conceicao, Friday, 7 February 2003 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sigh. Someone else can take over from here...

Ben Williams, Friday, 7 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

And seriously, when the hell is someone going to post the comparison shots of Jackson's kids and various All Japan/Lucha Libre wrestlers? Prince looked like a goddamned 6 year old version of Tiger Mask...hilarious

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Alan

Alan Conceicao, Friday, 7 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"but that's not proof it's intrinsically harmful"

I can point you to numerous psychological studies that conclude that children who consistently sleep w/adults (usually their parents, but I'm sure it applies to non-family members even moreso) past the age of 4 or so demonstrate various developmental/emotional problems. Let me know if you want me to look some up.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 7 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's an article which takes issue with Bashir's tactics.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

eg let's say i have a kid who often has nightmares and when he does comes to get into bed with mom and pop

and i have a friend who is 44 and great with kids who i totally trust and my kid likes him, and mom and pop have to go off somewhere but not with kid bcz of school, and my pal babysits - except my kid has a nightmare and climbs into bed with my pal

Q: should i worry about this?
A: it depends...

mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok shakey but saying "consistently" is still kinda moving the goalposts of even your earlier point — which i think is a fair-ish question

why i objected to the original question = it's just way too vague to make any kind of sensible judgement, despite alex's increasingly dotty frothing

mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

But then again, I've never done anything like sleep with other people's children, so I have little to fear.

Don't be so sure.
I know someone who served 12 years in prison for being at the scene of a crime and attempting to help the person.
Obviously, he is black.

Oops (Oops), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

"despite alex's increasingly dotty frothing"

When I start dottily frothing, you'll fuckin' KNOW IT, mate!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex would you feel comfortable sleeping in the same bed with a 6-year-old?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wouldn't feel comfortable hanging onto the back of a bus by my underwear, but I wouldn't jail someone who did this

Oops (Oops), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Alex would you feel comfortable sleeping in the same bed with a 6-year-old?"

Frankly, no.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

:(

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

no babysitter for tracer's kid tonight!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Under what circumstances would you let your son sleep with Janet Jackson?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

If your son is Justin Timerlake, I guess.

maria b (maria b), Friday, 7 February 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Under what circumstances would you let your son sleep with Janet Jackson? "

My children are not allowed out of the Skinner box.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 7 February 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Under which circumcisers would you let your son sleep with Janet Jackson?

Oops (Oops), Saturday, 8 February 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

LOL!

maria b (maria b), Saturday, 8 February 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Things could always be worse.....

http://sfgate.com/gallery/pod/

maria b (maria b), Saturday, 8 February 2003 00:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

"When did you stop beating your wife?"

J (Jay), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

don't hav da energy 2 read thru dis thread but did he say he slept in bed wit da kids, or was he adamant dat he always slept on da ground cos dats wot i remember from da doc + its only in da intervening yrs dat da sleep wit kids angle has cum 2 lite.

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...
Google News:

"Warrant Issued for Jackson's Arrest" - 751 related stories

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link


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