slowdive: classic or dud?

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Haha, yes I know the Roxy is on Sunset. I was actually talking about another time I saw them at this place that was in an upstairs club off Sunset I think. It felt like it was someone living room or something like that, never did see another show at that place. I was also head over heels in love with Rachel as well. Never did know they played in Fullerton the next night as that was just right around the corner of where I lived at the time and would of went to that show if known. I did see Ride/Slowdive at the Coach House the tour before however, great double bill that one was.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 1 December 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw Ride/Slowdive at the Palace the day after -- and the day after that the Pale Saints opened instead! And this was the last tour with Ian in the band too. Swank.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 December 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

This is what I saw in about one month in 1992:

April 24 - Teenage Fanclub (Fairfax High School)
April 25 – The Charlatans (Palace)
April 28 - The Sugarcubes (Palace)
May 9 – Catherine Wheel (Whisky A Go Go)
May 18 – Blur (Palace)
May 28 – Ride with Slowdive (Coach House)
May 29 – Ride with Slowdive (Palace)
May 30 – Ride with Pale Saints (Palace)
June 2 – Pale Saints (Whisky A Go Go)

Not to forget the Cure twice at the end of June that year.

Time of my life…

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rutti" = best opening song to any album EVAH!! must... find... guitar tabs...

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i remember the days when you wanted to see both bands at a show ride/lush, ride/slowdive, slowdive/catherine wheel, catherine wheel/house of love(i have blacked out ocean colour scene although they were still sorta swirly at that time), curve/majesty crush, curve/spiritualized/jamc, revolver/drop nineteens, kitchens of distinction/bleach, pale saints, chapterhouse. now i must sit through four bands i don't want to hear before the one band i sorta want to hear.

keyth (keyth), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Keyth were you in Los Angeles in the early 90s as well? I saw almost all those shows: ride/lush (yes), ride/slowdive (yes), slowdive/catherine wheel (yes), catherine wheel/house of love/ocean colour scene* (yes), curve/majesty crush (nope), curve/spiritualized/jamc/medicine (yes), revolver/drop nineteens (yes), kitchens of distinction/bleach (nope), pale saints (yes), chapterhouse (fuck yeah).

I don’t make that many shows anymore, since moving back to Los Angeles, because 1) in San Francisco they were right outside my door and didn’t have to drive miles and miles. 2) Ticketmaster can go to HELL!

*I know ILM hates OCS but they were a great live band and became much better as the years went on. Everything doesn’t need to be new and inventive all the time, stealing from the best is OK every once in awhile.


I don’t make that many shows anymore, since moving back to Los Angeles, because 1) in San Francisco they were right outside my door and didn’t have to drive miles and miles. 2) Ticketmaster can go to HELL!

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

April 24 - Teenage Fanclub (Fairfax High School)
April 25 – The Charlatans (Palace)
April 28 - The Sugarcubes (Palace)
May 9 – Catherine Wheel (Whisky A Go Go)
May 18 – Blur (Palace)
May 28 – Ride with Slowdive (Coach House)
May 29 – Ride with Slowdive (Palace)
May 30 – Ride with Pale Saints (Palace)
June 2 – Pale Saints (Whisky A Go Go)

In order -- remember hearing about it, missed it, saw it (but it was the Wiltern!), missed it, saw it (I remember Damon ambling out on stage with the Moz quiff and everyone going "MORRISSEY!"), missed it, saw it, saw it, missed it (so annoyingly because the Red House Painters opened!).

In there, though, I did see the Wedding Present/Poster Children, Verlaines/Yo La Tengo, and Soundgarden/Swervedriver/Monster Magnet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

will these ever see domestic release? all three of them were calling to me from the other music shelf today, but they were all $24 or something.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Nothing that was put on on Castle UK has been put out in the USA. (speculation that this won't change anytime soon.)

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Not actually true, if you mean in general -- for instance, a large number of the Fall reissues were released over here as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Pygmalion is unbelievably great - my fave of theirs (and this is from someone who originally switched off after the first couple EP's).

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link

You actually do lean something new everyday. Still I don't think Slowdive will be one of these that will see release in the US.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Rutti love seconded. It's got that pacific surfer mystique that Neil H. seems to have eventually absorbed. Sucha

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Thursday, 1 December 2005 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Rutti love seconded. It's got that pacific surfer mystique that Neil H. seems to have eventually absorbed. Such a great opener

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Thursday, 1 December 2005 08:41 (eighteen years ago) link

rutti love thirded.

i'm not sure you'd get much out of a guitar tab though :)

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

The packaging of the souvlaki reissue sort of sucks: the original cover(?) as shown on allmusic seems a lot prettier, the typography on this is hideous and seems like an afterthought and "40 Days" is consistently mentioned as "Days". Aside from that: nice reissue..

barnaby69, Sunday, 11 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

do they come in fancy cardboard fold out packaging thingies?

Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 11 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

and are they released in the US yet?

Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 11 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

99% of sane people agree that slowdive is probably classic. but the real question is this:

"MOJAVE 3: DUD OR CLASSIC DUD?"

is there such thing as changing a posts title?

corey c (shock of daylight), Monday, 12 December 2005 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

The packaging of the souvlaki reissue sort of sucks: the original cover(?) as shown on allmusic seems a lot prettier, the typography on this is hideous and seems like an afterthought and "40 Days" is consistently mentioned as "Days". Aside from that: nice reissue..

OTM. Maybe it's all in my jead but I do think the sound has been impoved nicely, adding texture here and there, and I'm glad to have 'So Tired' and 'In Mind', but jeez talk about awful packaging. But that's the original cover afraid (the superior black one was for the susbequent US domestic release).

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Souvlaki and Just For A Day are available at indie record stores that have bothered to order them- I picked both up at Amoeba in LA last week, though there were only a few copies each. No sign of Pygmalion, yet, and I called around a bit.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The original Souvlaki cover is better. The re-issue is nicer by design, but the original has a larger image of Rachel Goswell, who at least in those days was smoking hot and my total dream girl...

jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I think you will find that she still is...

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 December 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

not after that solo album of hers she aint

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I think she's still really cute, and let's face it- girls who are really into shoegazer bands (let alone in one) are very, very HOT....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone know the track listing for the "i am the elephant u are the mouse" thing is?.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Monday, 19 December 2005 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

1. I believe
2. Money
3. Painting
4. Like Up
5. Ports Theme #1
6. Nightmare
7. Ports Theme #2

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 19 December 2005 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

there's 19 tracks on the version i have.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Monday, 19 December 2005 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I downloaded this off the usual sk but was a slowdive file that had over 50 rare songs on it. So those 7 songs are in a row and labeled to that soundtrack but only added up to about 21 minutes, so I’m guessing you are right about the amount of songs. I probably have the rest of those songs but they are tagged demos or something, sorry I can’t help anymore.

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 19 December 2005 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Cardboard? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"MOJAVE 3: DUD OR CLASSIC DUD?"

is there such thing as changing a posts title?

but all of their albums are great. the last one will be treasured by many someday. it is hard to convince people of this. i think i will go listen to it now. the first song is so 'let it flow'.

they do need to stop making solo albums.

keyth (keyth), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i liked neil's solo album OK enough.

mojave 3 albums are great. i listen to them a lot more than slowdive, who i adored. do i really need this re-issue business? i have all the albums, the early EPs on vinyl, and some mega-track thing called 'staring at the sun' or somesuch i snagged from slsk...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Honestly I burned out on Mojave 3 quick after that (quite excellent) first album. They achieved a drowned-piano sound on that one they haven't quite gotten again since, and ultimately I think the Walkabouts (say) do the male/female vocal-with-country-hints balancing act with more range and talent, if not quite as consistent in terms of duets.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

IMO Neil's solo album is the best thing he did since Slowdive.

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I'm not sure about all this Mojave 3 business, but Souvlaki and Pygmalion (in that order) are utterly fantastic. Like being absolutely loaded with painkillers and wine and maybe some ecstasy (but you could never appreciate the music fully if you were actually on them all (at once, anyway)).

Kevin Allen, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

if i'd done all that i'd probably forget to turn the stereo on and still think the record sounded great.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
I thought this band was supposed to suck, but the new Mojave 3 record Puzzles Like You sounds perfectly fine to my ears! Bright and summery and poppy, and nothing at all like Slowdive, not even Pygmalion (no wonder they changed their name!).

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 01:56 (seventeen years ago) link

They haven't sounded like Pygmalion for a LONG time. And honestly Mojave 3 lost me some time back (and I speak as a fan of the first one.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never seen this thread before, and to be honest, I was kind of shocked.

Slowdive have always been among my all time favourites, very influential for me, and I still absolutely love their music.

Thomas Mehlt (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
i'm really liking a couple of songs i've heard by these guys. where should i start if i have to buy only one?

gear (gear), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Mmm, that's a good question. The three albums are related obv. but each v. much has its own atmosphere. What are the songs you're liking? There's a comp called Catch the Breeze which is handy as a starting point as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:18 (seventeen years ago) link

ned how old were you when you got into slowdive?

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:37 (seventeen years ago) link

and what album was responsible

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:37 (seventeen years ago) link

'souvlaki' is the good one, right? some friend of mine had it in like '95 or something. he was talking it up, i never bothered for some reason.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

a.w.: Album came out late '91, I would have been...20. It was either that first album, Just for a Day, or one of the earlier EPs (which, if you played the vinyl at 33 rather than 45, are just utterly mesmerizing).

Souvlaki is a favorite for a lot of people, because it's them starting to be a *little* less full-on shoegaze, but not entirely. Pygmalion is kinda the art favorite, their Durutti Column tribute to a large extent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

who do they most sound like, out of all the shoegaze bands? the only one i ever got into, and i don't even know if they're shoegaze, was catherine wheel.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Catherine Wheel were more like Chameleons obsessives crossed with classic rock. (No bad thing per se; I loved them too.)

Who do Slowdive most sound like? Well, jeez, in a way they ARE the ultimate shoegaze band! (MBV are in their own universe but obviously none of the other gaze bands could exist without them as an example.) As friend Stripey once put it to me years ago, "They'll be the band that most people will claim as an influence because they're both so atmospheric and so accessible." And she was right.

So basically -- mixed male/female vocals, often singing together, sometimes separately, LOTS of digital delay and zoned-out ambience, total goth fetish as well (early eighties Cure basslines in particular). Again, though, this is the earliest stuff in particular.

One thing that a lot of people forget about the band -- they could be LOUD. Saw them three times and while, again, they didn't achieve MBV levels of volume, they were definitely trying to really crank it up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"Souvlaki" is their best record, but I would start with some of the early EP's -- particularly tracks like "Morningrise" and "Avalyn" for the full-on hazy wash of spectral guitar fuzz swirl etc.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 09:11 (seventeen years ago) link

(shoegazer cliches, over and out)

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 09:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it's weird the way that *they* have become *the* shoegazer band to namecheck as an influence for bands that aren't really shoegaze - electronic artists, especially.

Whereas Lush and Ride, who are the first generation (i.e. not MBV) bands who I think of as utterly definitive of the genre seem to have fallen by the wayside.

Maybe that's because of the derivative tails on the end of their shoegazing careers (Britpop, Oasis, etc.) Or maybe because Slowdive hit the cliches the heaviest, so those looking for those cliches will be made happiest by them.

Three In A Bed Socks Romp (kate), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link


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