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hint: laptop displays are not as good as desktop displays!!!!!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link

OTM. But my iBook only flickrs a touch on that pic, whereas MB/MBP screens I've seen go into full-on strobe-out freakout.

stet, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link

hm

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

stet, you might be interested to know that yon image flickers like a fucker on my PB12" when i scroll; never noticed that happening before, but now you come to mention it ... it doesn't annoy me at all :)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Compared to the Dell 19" on my desk, I really don't seem any flickering or shimmering at all. Just the slightest bit of a shimmer, a hell of a lot better than I've seen on other LCDs.

mh, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks! That's bad news for my credit card.

stet, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I imagine a revamp of the displays is coming

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Sadly the point at which I knew I'd upgrade was when I was at JavaOne and all these Sun people were using MacBook Pros, and they were all so much faster than my oldass 1.5GHz G4. The difference between that processor and dual core 2.4GHz Intel chips is pleasing.

mh, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

I've got a Discover Card with $5000 in credit. Should I a) continue not spending money on stupid things, thus possibly improving my quality of life in the future or b) go blow $2500 and tax on the mid-range MBP, praying I can get paid back in the budget of the next big job or c) sell the Mac Pro and buy one of these?

Is anyone living with a notebook hooked up to an external monitor/keyboard/mouse + external HDs?

milo z, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Is anyone living with a notebook hooked up to an external monitor/keyboard/mouse + external HDs?

Yep, me, and it rocks except for the latest OS X update makes speakers pop loudly before sounds (I think it's sending the sound channels to sleep when they're idle for a while). Also bluetooth kb/mouse U&K

stet, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Although something good is coming out at WWDC for sure, since they did the MacBook Pros today to clear the way. I'm still holding out for touchscreen jazz.

stet, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate docking my notebook

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link

stet, I don't want to get all bitchy, but wtf is the point of touchscreen on a desktop

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link

milo z, save the money. Or just get a cheaper PC. You can get a refurbished Thinkpad for about $400 online.

calstars, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

But it won't run OS X. ('twas a joke, though, sadly. I have a year-old Mac Pro that should last me forever and I'm not about to buy a notebook unless it's confirmed that I am getting reimbursed fully)

milo z, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

The point of a desktop touchscreen, as I noted, is to make you look like a complete ass when you go to poke a normal monitor.

Abbott, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Can anyone recommend a (non-Apple, cheaper) display to go with my MacBook? About 20 or 21" should do it.

Alba, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Dell has a good 20" LCD, at ~$200 less than the Apple

milo z, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

stet, I don't want to get all bitchy, but wtf is the point of touchscreen on a desktop

Graphics, mainly. Have you seen the demos that have been kicking about for ages of that guy showing off his touchscreen desktop? It's brilliant for two-hand manipulation of artwork -- one Apple's core markets -- and will be miles better than either tablets or combined tablet/displays, especially if it also has the sensitivity for stylus use.

stet, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link

but aye, not much use for codin

stet, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I worked at a company that made a touch screen product and even if the resolution was improved a ton, I would never ever ever want to use one for day to day use:

:gorilla arm: /n./ The side-effect that destroyed touch-screens
as a mainstream input technology despite a promising start in the
early 1980s. It seems the designers of all those spiffy
touch-menu systems failed to notice that humans aren't designed to
hold their arms in front of their faces making small motions.
After more than a very few selections, the arm begins to feel sore,
cramped, and oversized -- the operator looks like a gorilla while
using the touch screen and feels like one afterwards. This is now
considered a classic cautionary tale to human-factors designers;
"Remember the gorilla arm!" is shorthand for "How is this going
to fly in *real* use?".

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I am all in favour of my colleagues at work all doing gorilla impressions.

Alba, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm still disappointed at how poor the execution of the concept, "pressure-sensitive", has been carried out in the oughts.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 03:41 (sixteen years ago) link

ask your mom about pressure sensitive.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 03:48 (sixteen years ago) link

My ma says she's sensitive to the fact that yr hose never has any pressure.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 04:02 (sixteen years ago) link

She's so demanding. The names she calls me ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 04:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Alba, check out http://www.trustedreviews.co.uk/

Ed, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Alba, I've got the Dell 2005FPW 20", and it's really pretty nice -- it's the same panel as in the Cinema Display, but £300 cheaper. Also has lots of other inputs.

Jon, that's a really fucking good point. All the people I've seen with the combined tablet/displays do use them at really weird angles, and I can't see that working with an iMac. Damn.

stet, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link

These are that guy's demos. He gets a bit overheated, but I know of folks who would eat this shit up for fucking about with 3d models:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q77Cuau28I0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QLnNG9ketr4

stet, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 06:29 (sixteen years ago) link

It's brilliant for two-hand manipulation of artwork

touchscreengoatse.cx

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link

the latest OS X update makes speakers pop loudly before sounds (I think it's sending the sound channels to sleep when they're idle for a while)

drunkenly listening to stuff on headphones from the PB, i'm hearing poppage (noooooooooooo) if i stop/start in iTunes (10.4.9, iTunes 7.1.1 ... there's an update i haven't done yet, isn't there? fuck it).

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

This poppage shit is tedious.

libcrypt, Thursday, 7 June 2007 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, so I'm buying a Samsung 205BW 20in display for my MacBook (thanks for advice upthread).

I have a cable question. I need the Mini-DVI to DVI adapter, I know.

But after that, I need an actual DVI cable to connect it to display, right, because the Samsung only comes with a free VGA cable. Should I get a "dual link" or "single link" one? And will a cheap Belkin one costing about a tenner do the job, or is it worth paying more?

Alba, Sunday, 10 June 2007 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

get a cheap single link cable, dual link is for huge displays 30" etc and digital is digital.

Jarlrmai, Sunday, 10 June 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Be careful with which mini-DVI to DVI cable you get. They make particular ones for each laptop (e.g. the MacBook one is different from the Titanium version, which is different from the old PowerBook ones).

I got the run around from apple as to which cable I needed and how to actually go with an apple shop with my laptop to find the right one.

But in terms of that hook up question I have no clue.

MaGoGo, Sunday, 10 June 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmmm... Apple don't seem to sell one that actually says it's for a MacBook. I assumed the one that says it's for Intel iMac and 12" Powerbook was OK since no other is available.

Alba, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I ordered mine from Apple store with the Macbook, so they do at least sell something that does the job. I know the iBook mini->VGA they sell doesn't work, though.

stet, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

(the UK store, that is. The US one seems to sell what I assume is the same thing but it says it's for Intel iMac, 12" Powerbook and MacBook.)

xpost - can you link the one you bought, just so I can be sure?

Alba, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link

What rumors are flying through the air right now at Moscone?

I've heard something about a new Finder. Appears to be called "Mighty Finder" this is from "a reliable source" but I think it's just a crazy rumor. I don't have any inside information!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I hope there is some kind of sub notebook/tablet/wee mac device. Not holding out much hope though as the iPhone is still the wee device du jour.

Ed, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm sort of hoping for the tablet, too, but i think chances are very slim indeed.

river wolf, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Steve Jobs has bought controlling share in Nintendo

TOMBOT, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Opera for Wii to be replaced by Safari; Big Brain Academy for iPhone due in November

TOMBOT, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Serious question: If I own and like the Treo 750, is there a compelling reason to look at an iPhone?

HI DERE, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

No

Ed, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link

here we go

Ed, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

stet, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Assuming they don't make a tit of themselves like they did on the Final Cut launch.

stet, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

<I>Serious question: If I own and like the Treo 750, is there a compelling reason to look at an iPhone?</I>

how about if one owns but is getting slightly tired of an HTC Wizard, and is moving to the US next week (so has no phone contract)? i guess a lot of my decision may come down to the contract pricing.

toby, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyone out there have experience buying refurbished Macs? I'm thinking of picking up a MacBook (or possibly a G4 Powerbook if the price is right) the next time one pops up on their site... Pros? Cons? Am I just asking for trouble?

dan m, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link


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