Stephen Strasburg, pitcher and Scott Boras client

or, as Lou Piniella famously opined, Rob Dibble doesn't deserve to be treated like a man.

Manager Lou Piniella of the Cincinnati Reds wrestled with relief pitcher Rob Dibble in the clubhouse at Riverfront Stadium Thursday night after a 3-2 victory over the Atlanta Braves that only slowed the Braves' NL West title drive.

...

About a half-hour after Steve Foster got his first major-league save, Dibble plunged the Reds into another controversy.

Piniella said he used Foster, who got the last three outs, because Dibble complained of a tight shoulder the previous night.

"Dibble was not available," Piniella said. "He couldn't get loose when he got up last night."

When reporters questioned the reliever about his shoulder, he shot back: "There's nothing wrong with it."

Piniella heard of Dibble's denial through reporters, then left his office and charged the pitcher in the clubhouse. Several players separated them as Piniella called Dibble a liar.

When reporters were allowed to return to the clubhouse, Piniella had nothing more to say.

"You all saw it," Piniella said. "Write it."

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-18/sports/sp-723_1_major-league

The video was awesome

TJ surgery rip Stevie

damn

might as well get it over with now i guess rather than when they're ready to contend

oh shit

STEVE PHILLIPS WAS RIGHT

EXPOS CURSE

ok so how did the first MRI miss a "significant tear"?

the second one used the dye so they can see stuff better

i wonder if there was some damage previously when he was on the DL before and they missed it

1st dl was for shoulder inflammation

oh yeah. anyway this sucks. i wasn't aware dusty baker was giving the nats advice on how to handle him.

they've been absurdly conservative with him pitchcount-wise, there's no way that this is workload-related like prior probably was

if anything, they were probably too conservative, like if your ace ends up conditioned to throw only 90 pitches per start then that's a problem in the future

(j/k)

i guess we'll see him again in 2012, then.

dibble probably still thinks he should pitch through it

nats could be good in like 2013 if harper comes out of the gate strong, otherwise they're gonna have to find some more talent somewhere. they drafted well this year so we'll see...

this was fun while it lasted though!!

we should just replace pitchers w/ pitching machines imo

maybe people will actually pay attention to mat latos now

YOU IN MY WORLD NOW SON

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That might be the least accurate bobblehead ever made on the table there. (It is smiling.)

Max otm

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Four RIPs in this thread.

Keep it up.

shades of Francisco Liriano immfho

excess of snark in this thread is kinda foul.

FLir 2006:
12-3, 2.16, 1.00, .205

oh drop the act morbs, why don't you go rejoice in the phillies thread about injuries to utley, shanevic, howard, etc.

lol @ morbs

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http://www.tmarchman.com/ic/2010/8/27/shocked-shocked.html

Yeah those guys all had the exact same problems... wait a second no they didn't.

not workload related, mechanics related imo. throwing curves is hard on a dude's arm. every time I hear about somebody who's throwing some insanely fast can't-believe-it curve I assume he'll be needing surgery before long

it's not a big deal that stras needs tommy john. it will be a big deal if he can stay healthy for 3-4 years upon coming back.

eh, it's a little bit of a deal to be needing surgery that young imo. Tommy John had been pitching for eleven years when he got it.

true--i don't have data to back this up but i'm guessing they're more aggressive these days in just saying "go get it done." like maybe 10 years ago stras would've gone on the dl for a bit, come back, been less effective, and it just would have been a big waste of time.

dudes in high school are getting tommy john surgery these days and coming out better than they were before but yeah it's not something anyone wants to go through

very time I hear about somebody who's

[pitching at any level--majors, minors, high school--level]

That wasn't what I was trying to do lol

oh well

you'd have thought tommy john would have eased up on his workload when he was younger, how did he not see that surgery coming

"fuck if I keep this up they're going to have to invent a surgery for me, lol"

A song about Stephen here called "Phenom"

http://thebaseballproject.bandcamp.com/

not workload related, mechanics related imo. throwing curves is hard on a dude's arm. every time I hear about somebody who's throwing some insanely fast can't-believe-it curve I assume he'll be needing surgery before long

OTOH Nolan Ryan threw the biggest, fastest curve in baseball for like a hundred years. And still had the arm strength to beat the shit out of Robin Ventura.

Meanwhile -- "Former phenom Prior is pitching to be noticed"

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgaYcrjN5Fyd9twPVjLOs.ARvLYF?slug=sh-priorcomeback090110

it's more like strasburg was pitching for prior to be noticed

what a story, i was living in San Francisco during this guys prime. i wish him the best as he really was a good guy.