Dibble thinks Wussburg man the fuck up, rub some dirt on it.
"So for me, a little bit has to be put back on Strasbug here. Ok, you throw a pitch, it bothers your arm, and you immediately call out the manager and the trainer? Suck it up, kid. This is your profession. You chose to be a baseball player. You can't have the cavalry come in and save your butt every time you feel a little stiff shoulder, sore elbow."I mean, excuse me. There's guys I played with that had screws holding their elbows together. Chris Sabo played two weeks on a broken ankle. I put a steel plate in my wrist so I could be back in five weeks instead of three months. So, this is your choice. You can either suck it up and be a man at 22 making $2 million a year (with) a $15 million contract, or every time you get an ache and pain you can go out of the game and say I'm gonna let down the other 24 guys right here and possibly end up forfeiting the game."
"I mean, excuse me. There's guys I played with that had screws holding their elbows together. Chris Sabo played two weeks on a broken ankle. I put a steel plate in my wrist so I could be back in five weeks instead of three months. So, this is your choice. You can either suck it up and be a man at 22 making $2 million a year (with) a $15 million contract, or every time you get an ache and pain you can go out of the game and say I'm gonna let down the other 24 guys right here and possibly end up forfeiting the game."
"There's so many (other) guys....Josh Willingham, who is gonna have surgery on his left knee, was playing with torn cartilage in his knee, could barely run around the bases. This is the simple answer to this, you need to know the difference between pain and injury. When I was 12, my arm hurt. When I was in my teens and I would throw and walk off the mound when I was a starter, my arm would throb. I couldn't even hold a glass of water. And you know what? I loved it."I was so sick, I loved it, 'cause I felt 'ok, I'm throwing hard enough to make my arm shake when I'm just standing there.' So I was a totally different animal than I think has been created here with Strasburg, where now you're telling this kid as soon as you feel any arm pain, call us and we'll come help you. Please."This is the major leagues. This is not college any more. You're not on scholarship. You're being paid to do the job and guys depend on you, and I think it's unfortunate that the Nationals and the team are in a situation here where this kid now, he feels any kind of arm pain, he's gonna call you out? That's scary to me."
"I was so sick, I loved it, 'cause I felt 'ok, I'm throwing hard enough to make my arm shake when I'm just standing there.' So I was a totally different animal than I think has been created here with Strasburg, where now you're telling this kid as soon as you feel any arm pain, call us and we'll come help you. Please.
"This is the major leagues. This is not college any more. You're not on scholarship. You're being paid to do the job and guys depend on you, and I think it's unfortunate that the Nationals and the team are in a situation here where this kid now, he feels any kind of arm pain, he's gonna call you out? That's scary to me."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/08/rob_dibble_to_stephen_strasbur.html
― Andy K, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 12:01 (thirteen years ago) link
The byline of that story should read "Rob Dibble was washed up at age 29".
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
or, as Lou Piniella famously opined, Rob Dibble doesn't deserve to be treated like a man.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Manager Lou Piniella of the Cincinnati Reds wrestled with relief pitcher Rob Dibble in the clubhouse at Riverfront Stadium Thursday night after a 3-2 victory over the Atlanta Braves that only slowed the Braves' NL West title drive.
...
About a half-hour after Steve Foster got his first major-league save, Dibble plunged the Reds into another controversy.
Piniella said he used Foster, who got the last three outs, because Dibble complained of a tight shoulder the previous night.
"Dibble was not available," Piniella said. "He couldn't get loose when he got up last night."
When reporters questioned the reliever about his shoulder, he shot back: "There's nothing wrong with it."
Piniella heard of Dibble's denial through reporters, then left his office and charged the pitcher in the clubhouse. Several players separated them as Piniella called Dibble a liar.
When reporters were allowed to return to the clubhouse, Piniella had nothing more to say.
"You all saw it," Piniella said. "Write it."
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-18/sports/sp-723_1_major-league
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The video was awesome
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
TJ surgery rip Stevie
― johnny crunch, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
damn
might as well get it over with now i guess rather than when they're ready to contend
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
oh shit
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
STEVE PHILLIPS WAS RIGHT
― Andy K, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
EXPOS CURSE
ok so how did the first MRI miss a "significant tear"?
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
the second one used the dye so they can see stuff better
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if there was some damage previously when he was on the DL before and they missed it
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
1st dl was for shoulder inflammation
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah. anyway this sucks. i wasn't aware dusty baker was giving the nats advice on how to handle him.
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
they've been absurdly conservative with him pitchcount-wise, there's no way that this is workload-related like prior probably was
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything, they were probably too conservative, like if your ace ends up conditioned to throw only 90 pitches per start then that's a problem in the future
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 August 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
(j/k)
i guess we'll see him again in 2012, then.
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
dibble probably still thinks he should pitch through it
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
nats could be good in like 2013 if harper comes out of the gate strong, otherwise they're gonna have to find some more talent somewhere. they drafted well this year so we'll see...
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 August 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
this was fun while it lasted though!!
― max, Friday, 27 August 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
we should just replace pitchers w/ pitching machines imo
maybe people will actually pay attention to mat latos now
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 August 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
YOU IN MY WORLD NOW SON
http://sameernagdamd.com/photogallery/images/image5.jpg
― sanskrit, Friday, 27 August 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
That might be the least accurate bobblehead ever made on the table there. (It is smiling.)
― Andy K, Friday, 27 August 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Max otm
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 August 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://livingwithballs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/generation-K.jpg
― buzza, Friday, 27 August 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.cnn.net/money/2007/07/27/commentary/sportsbiz/jobe_hall_of_fame.jpg
― sanskrit, Friday, 27 August 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Four RIPs in this thread.
Keep it up.
― Andy K, Friday, 27 August 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
shades of Francisco Liriano immfho
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 27 August 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
excess of snark in this thread is kinda foul.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 August 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
FLir 2006:12-3, 2.16, 1.00, .205
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 27 August 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
oh drop the act morbs, why don't you go rejoice in the phillies thread about injuries to utley, shanevic, howard, etc.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 27 August 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ morbs
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 August 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Images/Pitchers/StephenStrasburg/StephenStrasburg_001.jpghttp://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/250/750/Example_InvertedW_MarkPrior_002_display_image.jpg%3F1275952139
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 28 August 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
/\/\
http://www.tmarchman.com/ic/2010/8/27/shocked-shocked.html
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 11:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah those guys all had the exact same problems... wait a second no they didn't.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
not workload related, mechanics related imo. throwing curves is hard on a dude's arm. every time I hear about somebody who's throwing some insanely fast can't-believe-it curve I assume he'll be needing surgery before long
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not a big deal that stras needs tommy john. it will be a big deal if he can stay healthy for 3-4 years upon coming back.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, it's a little bit of a deal to be needing surgery that young imo. Tommy John had been pitching for eleven years when he got it.
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
true--i don't have data to back this up but i'm guessing they're more aggressive these days in just saying "go get it done." like maybe 10 years ago stras would've gone on the dl for a bit, come back, been less effective, and it just would have been a big waste of time.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
dudes in high school are getting tommy john surgery these days and coming out better than they were before but yeah it's not something anyone wants to go through
― max skim (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
very time I hear about somebody who's [pitching at any level--majors, minors, high school--level] I assume he'll be needing surgery before long
[pitching at any level--majors, minors, high school--level]
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
That wasn't what I was trying to do lol
oh well
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
you'd have thought tommy john would have eased up on his workload when he was younger, how did he not see that surgery coming
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"fuck if I keep this up they're going to have to invent a surgery for me, lol"
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
A song about Stephen here called "Phenom"
http://thebaseballproject.bandcamp.com/
― van smack, Thursday, 2 September 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
OTOH Nolan Ryan threw the biggest, fastest curve in baseball for like a hundred years. And still had the arm strength to beat the shit out of Robin Ventura.
― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Friday, 3 September 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Meanwhile -- "Former phenom Prior is pitching to be noticed"
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgaYcrjN5Fyd9twPVjLOs.ARvLYF?slug=sh-priorcomeback090110
― earlnash, Friday, 3 September 2010 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link