in the 2k10 i am learning to make cocktails. this is my mixology thread

glad!!! what is yr vermouth btw?

damn that is some fancy looking creme de cassis

Negronis. Wonderful.

glad!!! what is yr vermouth btw?

Dolin. The wine store down the street sells several different Dolin bottles, all wonderful.

http://is7.itookthisonmyphone.com/m/00118/14b41af8-7bd9-4bc2-a861-76e40aff70b2/9b897c53-fe74-4f0c-acfa-25215d3d685e_568x426r0.jpg

Last night's bar.

nice bar btw! what's the bottle in front of the cointreau?

RECIPE FIFTY-TWO: queen's road variant

the things that happen when you accidentally buy a pink grapefruit and not a white one

1.5 oz. gold puerto rican rum
.5 oz. pink grapefruit juice
.5 oz. lime juice
.5 oz. honey mix (1:1 honey/water combined in microwave)
.5 tsp domaine de canton ginger liqueur
1 dash angostura

the substitutions are pink grapefruit for orange juice and domaine de canton for ginger syrup. an evolving drink with the juices coming out at certain points, and the bite of the ginger and angostura appearing other times.

i <3 pink grapefruit

CAD i was wondering:

if 1/2 lemonade & 1/2 iced tea is an "arnold palmer"

how would you envision an alcoholic "laura palmer" cocktail?

ideally you would rim the glass with cocaine but let's be reasonable

good question, lemme think abt it and get back to you.

so elmo i would propose making a tall whiskey sour with tea-infused bourbon. get some loose fresh earl grey tea, but it in an infuser or filter bag, and infuse a good bourbon with it for no more than a couple hours (taste every hour so it doesn't get too bitter).

then, in a tall thin glass (this should be a tall drink, conceptually), add:

2 oz. tea-infused bourbon
.66 oz. lemon juice (or half of a large lemon)
1 tsp superfine sugar.

stir, fill glass with ice, top with seltzer and ice and stir again.

nb i have not made this drink specifically (and have not done a tea infusion but everything online says this takes no more than a couple hours), but with a lack of good tea-related ingredients out there i think making something yourself is the way to go.

it appears i never posted the best sidecar recipe i've found:

RECIPE FIFTY-THREE: sidecar

2 oz. vsop cognac
.75 oz. lemon juice
.5 oz. orange curacao
.25 oz. simple syrup

shake and strain! and spend yr money on good cognac cause it's worth it.

been working on aerosmith's diablo recipe from upthread. made one with 2 oz. or blanco tequila--definitely too strong and too much. it's funny, this is definitely, definitely a recipe where you need to use an ounce and a half. today i made one with 1.5 oz. reposado, .75 oz lime, .5 oz. cassis. i am also shaking and straining it over fresh rocks before topping with ginger ale. this was a nice drink! i'm really, really curious about the rendition suggested here:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/2010/03/bobby_heugels_weekly_cocktail_3.php

he ups the cassis a lot and uses ginger beer instead of ginger ale while reverting to blanco tequila. i will try this once i buy some ginger beer.

RECIPE FIFTY-FOUR: east india trading co.

a boozy dark jamaican rum drink:

2 oz. appleton estate reserve
.75 oz. aged sherry (using an oloroso here)
.5 oz. ramazzotti amaro
2 dashes chocolate bitters

stir and strain; no garnish

RECIPE FIFTY-FIVE: rarely eagle (geddit?)

a warm-weather up drink with bourbon--quite refreshing!

1.5 oz. eagle rare bourbon (or any m.o.r. 90 proof bourbon)
.75 oz. lemon juice
.75 oz. st. germain
2 drops orange flower water

shake, strain, garnish with a lemon twist

RECIPE FIFTY-SIX: illuminations

man i've been too busy to blog many cocktails lately. if i make something it's usually a simple classic. but there's always room for new ones:

1.5 oz. reposado tequila
1 oz. lemon juice
.75 oz. sherry (i used oloroso)
.5 oz. maple syrup
.5 oz. egg white (maybe half an egg white if you don't want to measure)

shake once without ice, and once with ice, and strain.

this comes from a book called left coast libations that i was deciding whether to buy. based on this drink i am buying it. ridiculously balanced and it's hard to say what the star is, though i'm inclined to think it's an entire half ounce of maple syrup adding a really subtle but distinctive sweetness.

EGG DRINK PRO TIP:

frothing wands like this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/316YPD35SFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

cost TWO DOLLARS at ikea. they're meant for espresso drinks but if you want to fuck with eggs in cocktails this strikes me as vastly preferable to the messy dry shake that you're generally told to execute. you'll have a nice froth in a few seconds.

what's a good vodka cocktail? i have a bottle of vodka from a party 4 years ago languishing in my kitchen. not super into vodka but would like to try something new. something w/o fruit juice preferably. the vodka is ketel one.

There aren't many good vodka cocktails, but the Moscow Mule's a classic:

* 1¼ oz vodka
* 3 oz ginger beer
* 1 tsp sugar syrup
* ¼ oz lime juice
* 1 sprig mint
* 1 slice lime

yeah, that sounds good. thanks!

hey so i know that vermouth can go off but what abt things like campari/cynar/aperol, they're not super alcoholic so...? cad do you know?

i have heard anecdotally that aperol will be fine basically forever and ime with all three of the ones you mentioned it seems to be true--i have bottles of each that are between 10-14 months old and they taste good to me.

I am learning to make my own too, sick of being forced to drink other people's trendy bar beverages....they don't even bother to ask whether I enjoy their slimy tropical beverages or not.

xpost thx dude

can i make a whiskey sour with scotch instead of bourbon and orange juice instead of lemon juice?

You can substitute pretty much any alcohol in a sour - that's how we ended up with margaritas and daiquiris! But I wouldn't suggest subbing orange juice, it will be more sweet and won't have the tartness a sour requires.

There is a classic scotch and orange juice drink, though:

Blood & Sand
1½ oz Scotch
¾ oz Cherry Heering
¾ oz sweet vermouth
¾ oz fresh blood-orange juice

and a great Felten column on the same:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120069085754201267.html

WOW i was just coming here to ask what i can make with a blood-orange.

i've been having major revelations w/r/t stirred cocktails recently. it all started when i read some recipes where the bartender actually supplied what the volume of the drink should be post-stir (e.g., ~3 oz. of spirits after stir should result in a 4.5 oz. drink; i don't remember the specifics but post-stir volume added well over an ounce). so i got some room temperature tap water and measuring cups and all that good stuff and employed my normal technique--fill mixing glass generously with ice cubes, stir for a generous 30 seconds.

well damned if my pre- and post-stir volumes weren't extremely similar. i was getting some chill but very little dilution (and since chilling and dilution are interconnected, was I not even getting a proper amount of chill?)

the obvious culprit was ice. i've noticed in some establishments that the bartenders will crack large ice cubes by hand before stirring--this results in a weird in-between ice size, neither full cube (for shaking) or crushed (for various crushed ice drinks). it makes perfect sense of course--more small pieces of ice fill more space with ice surface area, resulting in more dilution and chilling.

i've tried this a couple times and while i haven't measured the results my glasses seem noticeably fuller. so yeah more to come but worth considering for the martini and manhattan makers out there. be curious if i died or just sayin or any of you guys have thoughts.

maybe my ice cubes are just lower quality or something (or maybe they're smaller) but i havent had this problem - i can tell that i'm getting some dilution just cuz when i'm stirring i notice the ice:liquid ratio changing. i definitely know what you mean abt getting some water in yr drink being important tho... i used to keep my gin in the freezer but once i stopped doing that it made my martinis taste a lot better, brought the flavours out a lot more.

hey cad if you feel like nerding out abt this - http://www.painkillernyc.com/category/research/experiments

(altho its abt shaken drinks rather than stirred)

thanks, that is really interesting and i'm going to need to read it a couple times for it to sink in! he mentions dave arnold and cooking issues in there--they have some fantastic posts on this stuff. i'll put them here when i'm home tonight.

att cad - i made this over the wkend + it was awesome -

CHARTREUSE SWIZZLE
2 oz green Chartreuse
1 ½ oz pineapple juice
1 oz fresh lime juice
¼ oz falernum

thats the most chartreuse ive ever had in 1 drink but it worked so so well

and after making it i saw that there were some recipes w/ diff proportions but by then i had finished off my bottle of chartreuse so i havent got to try them

oh nice! v. cool-looking recipe.

i'm always hesitant to crack those little 6 oz. cans of pineapple juice because i never use a whole one but this looks like it would be worth it.

i've made this before--it's basically a riff on the last word but it was nice:

beuser & angus special

1.75 oz. green chartreuse
1 oz. lime juice
.5 oz. maraschino
.5 tsp sugar
1 small egg white

shake and pour over crushed ice, top w/5 drops orange flower water.

i find crushed ice, egg, and the o.f.w. to be a bit confused-sounding and i think i made it without the egg.

yeah i know what you mean, using pineapple juice is kind of awkward. man i need to get more maraschino as well....

don't know if this has been discussed, but i just read in the current issue of bon appetit about how to make SMOKED ICE. their suggestion was to serve a whiskey/sherry/lemon drink over it. i really want to try this but i think it would make my house smell like camp because we have no good way to let out exhaust.

Glad just sayin pointed me here. I've been playing around with cocktails a lot in the last six years, and it looks like we've covered a lot of the same ground. I don't have much to add beyond a general "thumbs up, I dig your style," etc., except:

RECIPE THIRTY-EIGHT: shaddock

One of my favorite drinks, and the one that made me love genever (though there's nothing wrong with Death in the Gulf Stream either). But I end up making it with slightly different proportions. Sometimes I leave out the St Germain altogether (use twice as much Aperol instead), simply because it's one of the more expensive liqueurs and I don't use it for many drinks, so if I run out I don't always replenish it right away. But even apart from that - I bump the genever up to 1.25, even 1.5. The maltiness really comes forward.

Also a big fan of Gunshop Fizz type drinks - I use the basic blueprint of the Trinidad Sour (1.5 bitters, 1.5 sweet, 1 sour, .5 spirit) for all sorts of things until the Ango runs dry.

Also also - if you love chartreuse like I love chartreuse, Elixir Vegetal is worth having. You may have mentioned it already, I don't know - it's a long thread to take in all at once. It's like a concentrated, bitters-esque form of chartreuse.

hey thanks dude! really nice of you to say :D

i had never heard of death in the gulf stream--that's a deadly serious-sounding drink. i am out of genever but that's going to cause me to go buy some for sure.

i don't have elixir vegetal either--i've noticed it on cocktailkingdom but they sell a lot of odd stuff so i never investigated further. what do you find yourself doing with it?

and pls feel free to add recipes and whatnot to this thread if you feel like it btw!

Yeah, a lot of the bitters on Cocktail Kingdom a) aren't even bitters, they're tinctures (no bittering agent involved, but "blueberry flavoring" doesn't sounds as 2k11-sexxy as "blueberry bitters") and b) aren't legal in the first place. They're legal to possess, but most of the small bitters companies haven't gone through the cumbersome process of having their product approved for sale. But that tempts me sometimes, because I think, shit, maybe I should pick up some of the odder ones before they get caught.

So mostly I get celery bitters, chocolate bitters, orange bitters, and Peychaud's, which isn't carried here. I really want to try the Dandelion & Burdock bitters, but keep putting it off.

The Elixir Vegetal I've used in two ways - one, adding a few drops to anything with Chartreuse (a Last Word, etc), to boost the ... chartreusiness. Two, it really adds some complexity to simple drinks that already have a little bit of herbal character, like a gin and tonic, or a Dark and Stormy. And man, it smells good.

since i just got a new 1L bottle i thought i could use up the rest of the one i had w/ one of my favourite drinks -

intro to aperol
2 oz Aperol
1 oz gin
.75 oz lemon juice
.25 oz simple syrup
1 dash Angostura bitters

like bill and i were saying on the other thread, aperol is such a nice drink, really deserves to be more popular imo, esp w/ summer coming

it sounds so medicinal
i like that

If you want medicinal and Aperol, there's the 2 to 2, too -

1.5 oz Aperol
1 oz absinthe
1 oz lemon
.25 oz simple
dash orange bitters

... which can make that "this will last forever, I just need an occasional rinse for Sazeracs and Corpse Revivers and whatnot" bottle of absinthe go pretty quick.

that sounds so delicious! man.

want

yeah, both those recipes sound excellent. maybe i need to replenish absinthe too.

bill, i didn't realize the elixir vegetal was actually like a concentrated chartreuse from the same producer! that's really cool. and i'm pretty curious about the dandelion and burdock bitters. i did buy the boker's that that guy makes, and while i obv can't comment on "authenticity" (unlike the smug dudes who make the bitter truth stuff and were happy to do so) it is pretty good stuff--i spent like two weeks just making martinez variations using the boker's/

Nice! Yeah, what's his name who does the Boker's etc SOUNDS like he knows his stuff. And ultimately, the taste is more important to me than the authenticity - a revival of authentic Roaring Twenties gins and whiskeys is not something anybody really wants to see, after all.

Have you had Dandelion & Burdock soda? (I don't think you're British, but I don't know anybody anymore, so who knows.) It's kind of sort of root-beer-ish, which has me stumped for what I would end up doing with the bitters. I love Root - kind of sort of root-beer-inspired liquor, but it's base liquor strength, not a sweetened liqueur - but it's not very flexible.

oh wow, no not british and i didn't know it was a soda flavor. i am going to have to seek out a bottle though.

Along similar lines as Aperol, I think Pimm's is a barely-bitter liqueur that could be played with a lot more. Or I'm talking myself into thinking that, anyway, because I have a few bottled citrus juices (sudachi, yuzu, kabosu) I need to play with for my blog, and since I've got my girlfriend's birthday, visiting friends, and two weeks unpaid vacation all in the near future, I don't really want to go out and buy any liquor right now ... even though I'm out of Aperol, Creole Shrubb, and down to my last shot of maraschino, all of which would make sense to use with citrus.

So I'm looking at the citrus-friendly liqueurs I do have, and the amaros (amari if you're like that) are mostly going to overpower exotic citrus. I mean, even Chartreuse - when you taste the lime in a Last Word or the lemon in a Final Ward, part of that's your mind filling in the blanks because lemon and lime are familiar flavors. But something unfamiliar, especially bottled, so that none of the oil is involved - I don't want to cover it up too much. I want it to be present enough that there's a reason to use sudachi instead of lemon. St Germain will be fine I'm sure, and Canton if I have any, stone pine, creme de cacao, maybe violette (maybe) ... but yeah, I think Pimm's could be interesting.

So that's what I'm drinking this weekend, whatever comes out of that train of thought.