Why do people rag on Steely Dan's "Gaucho" so much?

And the whole mood of the song too - resigned rather than grandiose.

I made myself coffee and read the OTHER Steely Dan thread again; it really is the most amazing thing on ILM.

Please take me along when you slide on down

So what the hell is the "Custerdome?"

Becker: 'It's, ah, one of the largest buildings in the world. You know, an extravagant structure with a rotating restaurant on top.'

Fagen: 'It exists only in our collective imagination. In the Steely Dan lexicon it serves as an archetype of a building that houses great corporations...' "

from Reeling in the Years

i was kinda hoping it would be here. no luck.

I was just in chat with a certain Alex-in-NYC-type (it's all good, hate on what you wanna hate on), and somehow Dan came up, and I found myself defending them at length (well, length for chat anyway) even though I know it's not like I'm going to create converts that way. But it helped me put a couple of ideas into words that apply well to Gaucho:

I feel like this album gets the same criticism as books that cause people to say things like, "I don't want to read another book about the problems of middle aged white guys." "Oh boo hoo. You're tired of taking young girls home for meaningless cocaine-fueled sex. Poor you." But that criticism doesn't see the forest for the white guys, so to speak.

And of course the haters with the bigger record collections don't like the over-perfect sound, but over-perfect is much more the point than perfect in this case -- it's an intentional counterpoint to how crusty with filth the characters are on the inside. The record is filled with singularly bloodless studio performances, and oh how people love to point that out, but once you get inside the album's point of view, the sound is an uncomfortable defense mechanism, like an overzealous tendency toward gallows humor (which Fagen also has, is the rightful owner of, and is very good at). The songs have the same kind of "mellow" as a violent prisoner on a huge dose of tranquilizers -- lookin' pretty chill right now, but still at high risk for hurting himself or someone else. Oh my god, what happens when all that shit wears off?

There are a lot of SD songs that deal with the same basic theme, but on this album it's distilled: this is a world where everyone wants nothing more than to be presentable, but that's been taken care of, and no one has any good ideas about what to want next. Instead they have some very bad ideas, ideas that victimize young women in the first two tracks, encourage the cycle of drug addiction in another two, foster poisonous and/or jealous relationships throughout, and then in "Third World Man" the coup de grace: giving up the whole game, total retreat, holing up in your house and engaging in some (undefined by the song) solitary, obsessive nuttiness until one day you accidentally blow up the neighborhood. (Of all the scary people on this record, that's the one I'm most afraid of becoming.)

I get grandiose with praise too often, but when will this album get its due as the breezily scathing, horrifyingly easy-going little masterpiece that it is?

See above thread.

Yeah, I know, it was just on my mind, is all. Shrug.

I made myself coffee and read the OTHER Steely Dan thread again; it really is the most amazing thing on ILM.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:06 PM

Which thread in particular?

This one.

I've come to think there is no album more perfect and brilliant all the way through.

Glamour Profession might be the most underrated Dan song

I'm gonna join sw00ds and Vic Perry's podcast next week during which they'll interrogate me about sharing your feelings.

awesome, looking forward to it, please post links when it is up

I have been trying to burn out on this album by playing it nonstop for a week, but it's not working

Is "Gaucho" the song a thinly-veiled letter from Donald to Walter about the latter's junk habit?

Is "Gaucho" the song a thinly-veiled letter from Donald to Walter about the latter's junk habit?

I only just got the little "joke" in the bridge of Gaucho (it sounds like a mariachi band)

There are some drum phrases in this song that are so good that they're like a second set of lyrics

That wanker Mark Knopfler plays on “time out of mind”

this was the first proper Dan album i bought on vinyl, and it has always, always gotten more play than their other records. i *adore* the title track particularly because it is so mean and brutal and pressed up against this shiny veneer. brilliant shit.

yeah, barely xp

I assume it’s him on the opening bend lick

Anyway the drums own that track anyway

how many songs mention cherry wine besides "time out of mind" & "we don't have to take our clothes off (to have a good time)"?

i guess "babylon sisters" mentions kirschwasser...

I think Knopfler's part is that pretty simple part that comes in later on in the song, I remember reading about how they had him play for hours and hours and what made it onto the song was maybe a few bars, of a very simple phrase

not sure what version you jabronis are listening to but MKnopfler does all the leads over almost the entire of the version I have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgNbNfO_O8

check the left channel then he hits the phaser on the instrumental chorus then back to the left channel.

fuck wrong video, this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgNbNfO_O8

3rd times a charm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJW2NH-CTJ8

whew, yeah click that one. left channel, then phasor for the instru-chorus, then back to the left channel. stop listening to mp3s you jabronis.

I have been trying to burn out on this album by playing it nonstop for a week, but it's not working

― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:59 PM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is where I am right now. I have been immersing myself in the world this album builds--its numb depravity and decadence--for the past three days, and I don't think I can stop.

Someone on hipinion said the title track sounds like "a compilation of unusually well-produced local station IDs" which is spot-on and partly why I love that song so much

People who "rag" on Gaucho should be taken away and destroyed.

― retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:11 AM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

The title track and "Third World Man" compete for best SD song.

40 years ago today

Mass Romantic yesterday, Gaucho today....what's next in line for the excellent album birthday celebration?

Seeing the Gaucho show in Morristown, NJ tonight. Has anyone seen them yet on this tour? They haven't done a Gaucho night yet, so I'm not sure exactly what to expect from the second set, but I'm crossing my fingers for "Bad Sneakers" and/or "Deacon Blues" which both seem like realistic possibilities...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bf7Dr7CzmM

Morris Mobley cover of Glamour Profession

fun cover, i like how he says "hoops mccain" instead of "hoops mccann," which makes me think he's talking about a black sheep member of that annoying family

We're double-bumping the Gaucho threads tonight.

Seeing the Gaucho show in Morristown, NJ tonight. Has anyone seen them yet on this tour? They haven't done a Gaucho night yet, so I'm not sure exactly what to expect from the second set, but I'm crossing my fingers for "Bad Sneakers" and/or "Deacon Blues" which both seem like realistic possibilities...

― J. Sam, Thursday, November 4, 2021 5:02 PM (nine months ago) bookmarkflaglink

In retrospect I was foolish to hope for "Deacon Blues." Looks like they only play it in the Aja shows :(

fantastic descriptions from the man himself

Donald explains Gaucho

new liner notes from the man himself for the upcoming reissue from Analogue Productions pic.twitter.com/dBlaEsYyZn

— Good Steely Dan Takes (@baddantakes) April 12, 2024