Superhero Filmmakers: Where's Our Watchmen?

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this version is supposedly the most faithful of all the attempts at adapting the GN so far. doesn't mean it will work, obv.

balloon in a sack (latebloomer), Friday, 14 November 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

wait, why is cankles angry at me? should I even care?

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 14 November 2008 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

re: bonfire - hey, if people are excited to see an '80s literary pop masscult item transformed into a bonkers big budget epic with questionable casting by a guy addicted to slo-mo, it might be worth remembering that they're not always entertaining, intentionally or otherwise.

da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2008 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I read that old "Watchmen" script from years ago that wass linked upthread. I liked the ending! It was funny. It would have made a good TV movie or serial.

Pashmina, Friday, 14 November 2008 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link

For what it's worth, an answer of sorts re: the characters saying "Watchmen" in the trailer:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/17048/1/ZACK-SNYDER-EXPLAINS-WHO-THESE-quotWATCHMENquot-ARE/Page1.html

"The original team we called the Minutemen, as per the graphic novel. We never exactly say whether or not in the more modern version we call them the Watchmen/Crimebusters. We loosely called them Watchmen as more of a symbolic name, more than anything else."

balloon in a sack (latebloomer), Friday, 14 November 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link

http://gardnerlinn.com/watchmensquidhope2.jpg

James Mitchell, Monday, 17 November 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

oh dear god

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 17 November 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

We loosely called them Watchmen as more of a symbolic name, more than anything else.

oh shut up

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Monday, 17 November 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

ALL NAMES ARE SYMBOLIC, HENCE THEM BEING "NAMES"

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Monday, 17 November 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

YOUR NAME IS SYMBOLIC OF A FRIENDLY GREETING

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 November 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link

ALSO: BUTTSECKS

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Monday, 17 November 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Crotchmen

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 November 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't really like Rorschach's use of "costumed heroes" anyway (does he really think of himself as a hero?). I've figured out who he sounds like tho, a gravellier Admiral Adama from BSG.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

um, yeah I'm pretty sure Rorschach does see himself as a hero? He has a pretty black and white sense of morality.

what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 17 November 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

> He has a pretty black and white sense of morality.

Mask=symbolic!

There is no Grodd but Mallah and Congorilla is His Prophet. (Oilyrags), Monday, 17 November 2008 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link

http://io9.com/5089745/watchmen-goes-disco

balloon in a sack (latebloomer), Monday, 17 November 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I suppose the part about him becoming Rorschach rather than just playing him, and the mask becoming his skin etc. shows his contempt with playing the masked-hero vigilante. But it's rather than he is contemptuous that beforehand he wasn't sufficiently violent and extreme in the retribution he meted out to criminals.

what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 17 November 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link

rather than him completely seeing through the vigilante as hero idea.

what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 17 November 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

plus he is motivated primarily by the need to protect himself and his comrades, by solving the murder mystery - having kinda given up on humanity or society generally.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

3/the dialog in the comic, it wasn't THAT stoopid, was it?

Some needs to rescreen the book.

David R., Monday, 17 November 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link

SomeONE kthx

David R., Monday, 17 November 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah most of that dialogue is p much verbatim

this movie will be exactly like the comic in one regard: a hamfisted heavy ass handed piece of garbage for aspie goons that thought no country for old men was too complicated

ಥ﹏ಥ (cankles), Monday, 17 November 2008 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I believe I may qualify.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 17 November 2008 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link

It's been a few years since I last read the book, it's true. I guess I should pull it off the shelf and read it through again.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

HD trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/watchmen/

Maybe this trailer does give away the plot, but it makes absolutely no sense to me (I haven't read the book).

caek, Thursday, 27 November 2008 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link

lol nite owl action figure looks profoundly uncomfortable

BIG HOOS is those british white steens (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 27 November 2008 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe because his goggles are tight enough to crush his left eye socket?

darraghmac, Thursday, 27 November 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link

that was just a homemade action figure btw

❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 30 November 2008 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3240/watchpeanutssn7.jpg

James Mitchell, Friday, 5 December 2008 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link

in case you missed this: http://springfieldpunx.blogspot.com/2008/08/keep-watching.html

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Friday, 5 December 2008 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

http://io9.com/5100532/new-watchmen-mobile-game-makes-alan-moore-cry

now play watchmen on your cellymophone!

Vault Boy Bobblehead: Drinking (kingfish), Friday, 5 December 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Long interview with Dave Gibbons, who is apparently a supporter of the upcoming film:
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/12/archaeologizing.html

Neil S, Friday, 26 December 2008 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link

An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will continue to seek an order delaying the release of 'Watchmen.'

U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner Bros. had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero flick, scheduled for release March 6.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081229/ap_en_ot/film_watchmen_suit

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Boycott Wolverine?
by Immortal_Fish Dec 29th, 2008
07:24:18 PM
If any of you were true comic geeks with any respect for the source material, you would have banned Wolverine from the very beginning, meaning Singer's X-Men 1! And I'm not talking about the lack of yellow spandex. I'm talking about who Singer cast for the role.

A six-foot, thirty-something chick-magnet should NEVER have played Wolverine!

A six-foot, thirty-something chick-magnet should NEVER have played Wolverine!

A six-foot, thirty-something chick-magnet should NEVER have played Wolverine!

Wolverine is a five-foot, ugly sixty-something. The role should have gone to Harvey Keitel. Mel Gibson perhaps in *this* day and age as opposed to in the 90's when he was originally speculated, but even that was a stretch. And you Danzig assholes can lick mine. But even now, still to this day, you bitches claim how Singer was SO faithful to the source material." PHOOEY!

And NOW you talk of Wolverine boycott? Now? It took a DC one-shot story to move you to such extent that you consider boycotting WINO? Please. Only Jessica Alba tops Jackman for worst comic casting ever.

pazuzu's petals (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

NOW?!!??!

s1ocki, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Fox has had a shitty movie year. I suppose they're thinking they can sue their way into a profitable movie.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link

A six-foot, thirty-something chick-magnet should NEVER have played Wolverine!

pazuzu's petals (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link

NEVER!!!!!

s1ocki, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

yall are sleepin on PHOOEY

㋡ (cankles), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Loadsa footage here:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=48917596

chap, Sunday, 4 January 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link

More footage: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/01/japan-watchmen.html

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 10:03 (fifteen years ago) link

They screwed up comedian
by greenstyle92 Jan 7th, 2009
06:11:08 PM
he didn't have stache or cigar in that time period.

first.

tired (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2009 02:14 (fifteen years ago) link

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Dec 30, 2008 7:46 PM

i don't do novels. . . but i will watch this movie. . . .

゙(゚、 。 7 (cankles), Thursday, 8 January 2009 02:29 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/2009-1-8-an-open-letter-from-watchmen-producers

I recently heard from Lloyd Levin, one of the producers of this year's hotly-anticipated adaptation of "Watchmen," and he wanted to get in touch regarding the ongoing conversation about the legal battle that's been raging back and forth between Warner Bros. and Fox.

There's been a lot of virtual ink spilled in the last six months about the rights and the wrongs of this lawsuit, and it all boils down to two separate agreements. There's a 1991 quitclaim that was issued by Fox, and then a 1994 turnaround agreement, and when the federal judge issues his verdict on January 20th, those are the two things he'll be considering.

But is that enough?

Does that really answer the issue?

Lloyd told me that his own feelings on the matter were complicated, and the more we spoke, the more it became apparent that he had something he really wanted to share with people, some point he needed to make in this larger conversation, and so I offered him an unfiltered venue in which to do so. The following is an open letter that Lloyd wrote regarding the "Watchmen" lawsuit and, more importantly, the 20-year-struggle to wrestle this project onto the screen.

It's provocative stuff, and I'm glad he decided to share his thoughts. For once, this isn't just empty speculation from the outside, but the opinion of someone intimately involved in the entire thing.

Check it out:

Watchmen. A producer's perspective.

An open letter.

Who is right? In the Watchmen dispute between Warner Brothers and Fox that question is being discussed, analyzed, argued, tried and ruled on in a court of law. That's one way to answer the question - It is a fallback position in our society for parties in conflict to resolve disputes. And there are teams of lawyers and a highly regarded Federal Judge trying to do just that, which obviates any contribution I could make towards answering the "who is right" question within a legal context. But after 15 plus years of involvement in the project, and a decade more than that working in the movie business, I have another perspective, a personal perspective that I believe important to have on the public record.

No one is more keenly aware of the irony of this dispute than Larry Gordon and I who have been trying to get this movie made for many years. There's a list of people who have rejected the viability of a movie based on Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's classic graphic novel that reads like a who's who of Hollywood.

We've been told the graphic novel is unfilmable.

After 9/11 some felt the story's themes were too close to reality ever to be palatable to a mainstream audience.

There were those who considered the project but who wished it were somehow different: Could it be a buddy movie, or a team-up movie or could it focus on one main character; did it have to be so dark; did so many people have to die; could it be stripped of its flashback structure; could storylines be eliminated; could new storylines be invented; did it have to be so long; could the blue guy put clothes on... The list of dissatisfactions for what Watchmen is was as endless as the list of suggestions to make it something it never was.

Also endless are the list of studio rejections we accrued over the years. Larry and I developed screenplays at five different studios. We had two false starts in production on the movie. We were involved with prominent and commercial directors. Big name stars were interested. In one instance hundreds of people were employed, sets were being built - An A-list director and top artists in the industry were given their walking papers when the studio financing the movie lost faith.

After all these years of rejection, this is the same project, the same movie, over which two studios are now spending millions of dollars contesting ownership. Irony indeed, and then some.

Through the years, inverse of the lack of studio faith has been the passionate belief by many many individuals - movie professionals who were also passionate fans of the graphic novel - who, yes, wanted to work on the film, but more for reasons of just wanting to see the movie get made, to see this movie get made and made right, donated their time and talent to help push the film forward: Writers gave us free screenplay drafts; conceptual art was supplied by illustrators, tests were performed gratis by highly respected actors and helped along and put together by editors, designers, prop makers and vfx artists; we were the recipients of donated studio and work space, lighting and camera equipment. Another irony, given the commercial stakes implied by the pitched legal dispute between Fox and Warners, is that for years Watchmen has been a project that has survived on the fumes of whatever could be begged, borrowed and stolen - A charity case for all intents and purposes. None of that effort, none of that passion and emotional involvement, is considered in the framework of this legal dispute.

From my point of view, the flashpoint of this dispute, came in late spring of 2005. Both Fox and Warner Brothers were offered the chance to make Watchmen. They were submitted the same package, at the same time. It included a cover letter describing the project and its history, budget information, a screenplay, the graphic novel, and it made mention that a top director was involved.

And it's at this point, where the response from both parties could not have been more radically different.

The response we got from Fox was a flat "pass." That's it. An internal Fox email documents that executives there felt the script was one of the most unintelligible pieces of shit they had read in years. Conversely, Warner Brothers called us after having read the script and said they were interested in the movie - yes, they were unsure of the screenplay, and had many questions, but wanted to set a meeting to discuss the project, which they promptly did. Did anyone at Fox ask to meet on the movie? No. Did anyone at Fox express any interest in the movie? No. Express even the slightest interest in the movie? Or the graphic novel? No.

From there, the executives at Warner Brothers, who weren't yet completely comfortable with the movie, made a deal to acquire the movie rights and we all started to creatively explore the possibility of making Watchmen. We discussed creative approaches and started offering the movie to directors, our former director having moved on by then. After a few director submissions, Zack Snyder came onboard, well before the release of his movie 300. In fact, well before its completion. This was a gut, creative call by Larry, me and the studio... Zack didn't have a huge commercial track record, yet we all felt he was the right guy for the movie.

Warner Brothers continued to support, both financially and creatively, the development of the movie. And eventually, after over a year of work, they agreed to make the film, based on a script that, for what it's worth, was by and large very similar to the one Fox initially read and deemed an unintelligible piece of shit.

Now here's the part that has to be fully appreciated, if for nothing more than providing insight into producing movies in Hollywood: The Watchmen script was way above the norm in length, near 150 pages, meaning the film could clock in at close to 3 hours, the movie would not only be R rated but a hard R - for graphic violence and explicit sex - would feature no stars, and had a budget north of $100M. We also asked Warner Brothers to support an additional 1 to 1.5 hours of content incurring additional cost that would tie in with the movie but only be featured in DVD iterations of the film. Warners supported the whole package and I cannot begin to emphasize how ballsy and unprecedented a move this was on the part of a major Hollywood studio. Unheard of. And would another studio in Hollywood, let alone a studio that didn't show one shred of interest in the movie, not one, have taken such a risk? Would they ever have made such a commitment, a commitment to a film that defied all conventional wisdom?

Only the executives at Fox can answer that question. But if they were to be honest, their answer would have to be "No."

Shouldn't Warner Brothers be entitled to the spoils - if any -- of the risk they took in supporting and making Watchmen? Should Fox have any claim on something they could have had but chose to neither support nor show any interest in?

Look at it another way... One reason the movie was made was because Warner Brothers spent the time, effort and money to engage with and develop the project. If Watchmen was at Fox the decision to make the movie would never have been made because there was no interest in moving forward with the project.

Does a film studio have the right to stand in the way of an artistic endeavor and determine that it shouldn't exist? If the project had been sequestered at Fox, if Fox had any say in the matter, Watchmen simply wouldn't exist today, and there would be no film for Fox to lay claim on. It seems beyond cynical for the studio to claim ownership at this point.

By his own admission, Judge Feess is faced with an extremely complex legal case, with a contradictory contractual history, making it difficult to ascertain what is legally right. Are there circumstances here that are more meaningful, which shed light on what is ultimately just, to be taken into account when assessing who is right? In this case, what is morally right, beyond the minutiae of decades-old contractual semantics, seems clear cut.

For the sake of the artists involved, for the hundreds of people, executives and filmmakers, actors and crew, who invested their time, their money, and dedicated a good portion of their lives in order to bring this extraordinary project to life, the question of what is right is clear and unambiguous - Fox should stand down with its claim.

My father, who was a lawyer and a stickler for the minutiae of the law, was always quick to teach me that the determination of what is right and wrong was not the sole purview of the courts. I bet someone at Fox had a parent like mine who instilled the same sense of fairness and justice in them.

Lloyd Levin

headgeek wrote
Yeah, but their WOLVERINE movie would kill your WATCHMEN movie... Wolverine could scratch that naked smurf man!
At 09:07 UTC, Jan, 08, 2009

tired (latebloomer), Friday, 9 January 2009 04:16 (fifteen years ago) link

lol Comedian JFK assassin

it's hinted at a couple of times in the book!

tired (latebloomer), Friday, 9 January 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I know its just a funny thing to include a shot of


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