why 'have you ever' so low?? i could listen to just its tappy percussion for hours, it's like the perfect pop distillation of his 'everything sounds the same until you listen closely' style i think. i've never cared for 'gets along fine' mostly cause i'm not a big fan of that throbbing synth stab thing he does, i don't really like 'love you all for the same reason. nothing goes away definitely deserves a higher place though, if only for the amazing water-drop counter to the bass drum. possibly my favorite drum-melody ever. convivial is great, people way underrate it imo
― lucas pine, Sunday, 15 August 2010 05:56 (thirteen years ago) link
"Have You Ever" is great! It's my sixth favourite song on one of my favourite albums of 2008.
― Tim F, Sunday, 15 August 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Still annoyed that I missed an uusitalo set in Montreal, even though I saw him as Delay and in the MVO trio. I guess it was a long set at the art museum that wasn't officially part of Mutek.
― turtles all the way down (mh), Sunday, 15 August 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
did anyone ever work out who "chubbs" was a pseudonym for on "gets along fine"?
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 15 August 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
OK I worked out to Convivial today and it sounded good. grrrrrr!
― Henry's Hepcat (admrl), Sunday, 15 August 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Because you move. The way you move. I've got to keep on moving with you.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4666313926_3915645bbb_o.png
― jabba hands, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
thought this would be revive for new album info
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
unchill
every time luomo releases a new album my heart breaks again, so i'm glad it's just a revive of my favorite song
― elan, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
new sistol is good
i think he lost his way a little in the last few years with 'convivial' and the live improv vlad delay stuff, but he's still a huge talent
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol at the idea of "Convivial" being his shark-jumping moment when "Paper Tigers" exists.
He's now saying that he's retired 'Luomo' indefinitely.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
pull the plug, sasu
― elan, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
sometimes i wonder if it isn't a blessing that derrick may gave up when he did
― elan, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:12 (26 minutes ago)
ha, i completely forgot about its existence
seem to remember it was 'alright' actually
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I seem to remember it was forgettable
― elan, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I never understood people who got stuck with bands long after their creative peak has passed and specially those playing years old albums when there is so much better stuff nowadays until Luomo's Vocalcity. Why doesn't do more variations on that ultra dark sexual Mille Plateaux / Raster Noton house thing? You know, there's like four more albums to datamine from that particular record! I wish I had some talent so I could build a whole career out of my chillwave / hypnagogic impressions of him circa 2000.
He also said no more Uusitalo oh well
― laser precise purpose maker era, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
elan OTM. after "Paper Tigers," i was done.
that said, "Really Don't Mind" was a pretty decent track, especially the Radio Edit.
― hot weiners is the best and i want a hot weiner (the table is the table), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
always meant to pick up the album after loving the radio edit of Really Don't Mind, so I still have the impression that there's a whole album of goodness waiting for me
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:02 (thirteen years ago) link
keep it that way
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
OMG
three new Luomo songs on myspacehttp://www.myspace.com/luomomusic
h8 ya luomo
― Umm, I think that's my glass. (laser precise purpose maker era), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
new album new traxxx! http://www.luomomusic.org/#4
― laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
New album is a banger. May disappoint some people who don't want the project to disappear into the dancefloor and lose its luomo-ness (this is the least erm micro and least pop Luomo album yet) but some of the builds on these tracks would destroy a club.
It's not flashy-dense like Convivial was, more just really voluptuous dancefloor chuggers.
And the first schaffel track I've cared about in ages.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Excited!!!!!!
― Takeshi Kitteno (admrl), Friday, 23 September 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
huh i didn't get any sense of bangingness at all from it, thought it was kinda flat with a few nice moments but after filing my review didn't feel compelled to return to it at all
― lex pretend, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
you reviewed it and got to keep a copy
― Takeshi Kitteno (admrl), Friday, 23 September 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but it's actually out now too
― lex pretend, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
3 October I think.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Such is the state of my cred with record labels slash "the industry" that I have to listen to it on stream for review purposes.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
the release date i was told was 18 sep?
having to stream albums sucks, i refuse to review based on them unless there's no other option
― lex pretend, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
pushed back
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Re the album itself, I expect I'll end up liking it less than Convivial (and Vocalcity and The Present Lover) but a lot more than Paper Tigers.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
From what I've heard of it, if Convivial was Uusitalo with vocals Plus is Sistol with vocals.
― Jedmond, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
From memory Lex our favourite tracks on Convivial were rather different and I suspect that I can see in that the basis of our convergence w/r/t the new one.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Really Don't Mind is still better than anything on The Present Lover. Albeit just.
― Jedmond, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
eh
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
better than "What Good"??! o_O
feel like he lost all his finesse with the vocal cut-up shtick on Paper Tigers, "Really Don't Mind" included.
― handy ban (lou), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
I almost wish I hadn't read this, I may take a pill and lie in bed until October when I can maybe get my hands on it!
― Die, Foghat, Die (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
What Good is only the fourth or fifth best track on The Present Lover (which is why TPL is still a good chunk better than PT).
― Jedmond, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
RIP Luomo2000 AD - 2000 AD
― elan, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
It seems weird to say, but what the best material on the new album (e.g. "Make My Day", "Happy Strong") puts me in mind of is Michael Mayer crossed with Carl Craig.
What's definitely gone is the shimmer that's basically been Luomo's calling card since "The Present Lover".
― Tim F, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
hmm, i'm not sure - i really liked convivial overall, but i'm not really after another vocal-led pop album from luomo per se, but it's the lack of shimmer and finesse you and lou correctly identify that makes it so whatever to me. i mean, there's stuff to enjoy about it, certainly, i gave it 3/5 - "how you look" is a bit H&LA and it's a good look, love the rattling percussion on "good stuff". it's just, you know...your typical three-star album. nice moments but not special.
― lex pretend, Saturday, 24 September 2011 10:33 (twelve years ago) link
So far my barrier to Plus is the vocals. On Convivial and PL especially the vocals were so distinctive, it made them a real highlight. I'm only streaming this at the moment so I'll wait judgment until I've purchased a CD copy. It took me a few listens to appreciate Convivial anyway.
― mmmm, Sunday, 25 September 2011 12:30 (twelve years ago) link
The vocals definitely are basically just nominal structures around which to weave the grooves, which the exceptions of "Form In Void" and "Immaculate Motive" perhaps. Can't really see disliking them per se, but certainly they're not in any way haunting/charming like TPL's vocals often were. OTOH, at least they don't get in the way like they so often do on the Art Department album (which in some senses is a good point of comparison for this album).
As I said originally I can definitely get people saying "this has abandoned too many of the things that made me love Luomo to really adore it." It's really just good luck (for me) that Sasu has shifted towards another aesthetic (hyper-dense percussive layered house) that I feel very close to. If someone on Get Physical or Poker Flat or Kompakt had released this album at any time in the last 10 years I'm thinking it would have been top ten of that year for me.
I feel "Good Stuff" is the weakest track actually - 9 minutes spent barely building on its opening premise. Whereas look how much ground "Form In Void" covers in 4.
― Tim F, Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
You really love hyperrhythmic percussive ish don't you Tim! Is this a thing that comes out of being a jungle fan I wonder - I was too young for any of that and it's not something I especially prioritise over texture and groove.
I thought the vox were kinda dull depeche modeisms tbh, not actively annoying a la art dept tho.
― lex pretend, Monday, 26 September 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
Absolutely, though I got into jungle and uk garage simultaneously and think the comes from that combination more than either alone.
I definitely think this album devalues texture (at least compared to his prior best work) as part of beefing up the role of rhythm - esp. vis a vis The Present Lover which is maybe its polar opposite, quite simple rhythms but absurdly swollen textures. Paper Tigers, of course, was basically Luomo indulging in luomoesque textures but with no real purpose or function (and his weakest rhythms).
("groove" is more the unifyer of how all these things plus melody move your body)
The part of Convivial that I feel the best tracks here (especialy "Make My Day" the second half of which is just insane, esp. turned up to ear-bleed volumes) pick up on is the second half of "Slow Dying Places", that sense of endlessly spiralling upward intensity.
What I would have loved but sadly isn't here is more of the vaguely Carribean snare action from "Gets Along Fine".
― Tim F, Monday, 26 September 2011 08:15 (twelve years ago) link
well excited about the new one
i don't know how you guys can absorb this music so fast. i'm still getting to grips with the new ones. didn't like either of them on first listen.
― Crackle Box, Monday, 26 September 2011 10:47 (twelve years ago) link
streaming here http://3voor12.vpro.nl/speler/luisterpaal/45128519#luisterpaal.45128519
― jeff tWEEDy (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
I definitely think this album devalues texture (at least compared to his prior best work) as part of beefing up the role of rhythm - esp. vis a vis The Present Lover which is maybe its polar opposite, quite simple rhythms but absurdly swollen textures.
It's not either/or though is it? A lot of the textural interest on Vocalcity comes from changing and evolving rhythms brushing up against each other in different ways.
The second half of Slow Dying Places is my favourite part of Convivial, give or take an Apparat collaboration here or there, but actually I think this album plays it quite straight rhythmically in comparison. Admittedly there might be some elements than aren't coming through in the stream.
But it's really good nonetheless, and surprisingly ravey and bleepy for Luomo. The Depeche Mode-style vocals work, I think, because there's a slightly colder, more warehousey feel to the whole sound.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 08:52 (twelve years ago) link