the build quality could be a whole lot better. but I have an uncle who works at apple so I get it all cheap (maintenance &.) fr free anyway < /flounces off, smug as all hell>
― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link
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― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
at least, off the top of my head, except oh wait Jon is going to turn all my programs into .pkgs for me and put them on .dmgs that are in .sits so it is all easy and doubleclickable
so justrm
well maybe
rmcdls
in case I want to look at the files in some of my directories BESIDES HOME for troubleshooting reasons but wait OS X always runs like a dream, troubleshooting isn't necessary! Invisible files should always stay invisible! You shouldn't be able to see that, it never needs to be touched!
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
When have you had to "look somewhere" for "troubleshooting reasons"??
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link
my mom? she uses the iTMS and iPhoto a lot. She your typical end user?
haha the one time I have had to investigate some invisible files to troubleshoot things was when I realized gcc was broken and I couldn't use CPAN. Oh and a week ago when the iShockXDriver flooded my logs and flung shit everywhere.
So I guess you're right, Jon, either I should devote myself to *nix and just get my next OS for free or I should just use iTunes and iPhoto and be a happy little imbecile with no interest in any functionality other than that Apple built in. I don't see what standpoint you're even arguing from besides rabid, drooling Apple fanboy. It doesn't matter though! you win! I use MAKE, I have no right to expect that Apple let me use the Finder the way EVERY OTHER *NIX WINDOW MANAGER WORKS.
Have you ever noticed how annoying female college students who are into Franz Ferdinand are, Jon?
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost could very well have.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link
http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link
except minus the easy change customizo fonts thing for your GUI :( :( :(
I have to admit that I kind of thought the end of Mac was a long, long time ago, long before iPods and iWork and iCute and all that. It was when they released the EMAC for the first time. That was when I realized I would soon not be happy with their developments.
THINGS WERE ALL BETTER, FOR ALL OF US, IN 1994.
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link
JON WHERE WERE YOU LAST YEAR, TO TELL ME ALL OF THIS SMUG NONSENSE???
For good measurehttp://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link
I ask you, what do you have to do to get same functionality level??????????????????
I hardly ever use my terminal application for anything other than ssh to real UNIX systems. My system runs (nearly!) flawlessly for months at a time.
When I ran a free UNIX, I had constant headaches with crappy x86 hardware and Linux. Package upgrades breaking things; OpenGL not workingp; blocking operations in graphical programs preventing GUI redraws, etc. Linux is SO FAR BEHIND OS X for normal desktop use.
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
I think Ned Ludd was onto something.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link
yes
― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link
gah I've just done a complete 180.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link
(Though to be fair the PC next to me is "Piss, bollocks, poo")
― mei (mei), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link
I just want a computer which allows me to customize its functionality in a relatively simple fashion which is constructed from reliable hardware. I think most of what is being implemented now, by all vendors, amounts to a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't improve my user experience really much at all. I think that OS and hardware design should be about creating a solid foundation, and functionality beyond basic administrative/file mgmt/config tasks should be left up to third party developers. I dislike the fact that Apple has taken the competition out of the arena w/r/t iTunes and iPhoto et al. and think it bodes ill for the future of the platform.
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Yes, I used to be.
Hahahahahaha Tom you don't even have a caps lock key.
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link
This is also OTM, individual parts purchased all seem to have better warranties than a plain ol' computer straight outta teh box! WTF.
As for "normal end user functionality", here's the simplest, stupidest, most pointless one to have removed I could think of, and one that, if my mom switches back to a Mac, would irritate the shit out of her (since I think we decided "moms" are the bench mark of "normal end users" for Macs earlier??): http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/mac111004.html
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not saying this is typical, mind you, just saying there's no perfect solution in building-your-own, either, as Jon points out above w/r/t Linux hardware support and such.
Honey, would you download and install TinkerTool onto my/our laptop when you get a chance? I'm kinda boggled I haven't already.
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
It's already done, you still can't change that ugly ass font that is under the icons but teh programs and clock are all PRETTY now
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Smaller folx tend to be a lot less evil than your HPs. But yeah, it's only a "perfect solution" if you know what you're doing.
Of course Spencer isn't dumb enough to run any of these OSes, he's installing Windows on it, so what's the point here?
― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Caps-Lock (or anything else) as a sticky "bold" key - try Butler, I'm not sure if it will do that but it might, it does just about everything else.
Personally, I'd like to see some kind of stab at way of managing things and activating things that doesn't rely on this desktop/file folder model that we've been going with ever since the first Mac came out. Why should I ever have to know the "path" to where something's been saved? Why should I ever have to "save" anything at all? It's all so dorky, I feel like I spend half my time drilling through folders, it can take so long that I forget what I'm even doing half the time.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Amen to Tracers last point.
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link