are disco edits the new electroclash?

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(of course this is all in the opposite vein of which Mike started this thread with...lord knows that I get where he's coming from. I danced to a set by a highly regarded beardo disco dj who played a homemade edited dub of Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy, one of my fave songs ever, and I kept waiting for ANYTHING TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN 7 MINUTES OF THE INTRO NON-STOP)

haha, this edit was just posted on lovefingers!

― Michael F Gill, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

haha. i don't mean to call him out because i've met him a few times and we've emailed a bit and he's a pretty nice guy, but that's funny. here's an exchange of ours.

me: I'm not too sure what I make of edits really. I mean I really dig them when they turn a non dance track into a more danceable version - like that Rub-n-Tug Chicago thing, but when someone takes an already dancey track and just loops the intro a bit, kinda suspect.

him: I am not huge on edits either, mostly because there are so many shit ones, but a lot of otherwise great tracks are stuffed with shitty bridges and vocals and stuff that can just be eliminated, imo. Not really a big fan of super repetative hypnotic disco loops tho

― jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i actually just listened to that annie edit and it was kinda neat. a bit repetitive, but it actually did things. kinda like something a french filter house producer would do w/a sample.

― jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:54 (seventeen years ago) link

BUT THE VOCALS ON ANNIE ARE THE BEST PART, THEY'RE SO FUNNY!

― dan selzer, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link

(pssst, to any canadian readers ... mike simonetti is djing in montreal on fri apr 6th, for poussez! poussez! at zoo bizarre and in toronto on saturday apr 7th, for seventh heaven in the white orchid basement)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/shackedup/flyerposter.jpg

― jaime, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i made this:

Brian Ice - Over Again (Catch & Release edit)

:)

― The Macallan 18 Year, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.chloesevigny.com/chloe_pictures/01_russian_pg95.jpg

― jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

chloe sux!

also....

the next big thing? Bits-n-pieces style compilations of the latest dancefloor hits! Only the best part of the latest records spliced together, 20 songs per side, all wheat, no chaffe. Lots of machine-gun edits.

-- Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:51 (9 months ago)

didn't lots of people make these kindsa medleys in the late 70's and part of the 80's?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/shackedup/METRCD082.jpg

a friend of mine recently commented that seeing diplo and dj's of that ilk these days is "like having a stars on 45 record shit all over your good time".

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I was kidding, though maybe I want the machine-gun edits. Spent the afternoon listening to John Rocca singles.

Generally, when it comes to all the hip new stuff, new music, new DJs, the Stars on 45 aspect is what gets the most annoying, there's no ups and downs, no dynamics. Ugh, I've complained enough about this already.

― dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

remember those "remix" records that would just add some lame beat to a black crowes song or something? i remember those.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

(dan ...) yeah i figured you were prolly kidding ... but it's kinda actually what's happening now. was talking to this kid who was saying he was making a mix where he wouldn't play any more than 30 secs of a song and my girlfriend and i were like ... uhh? jive bunny? stars on 45? disco medleys? but 19 and 20 yr olds have no frame of reference for that. they don't even have a frame of reference for shit that happened 2 years ago. they JUST started going out.

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

remember those "remix" records that would just add some lame beat to a black crowes song or something? i remember those.

-- scott seward, Friday, April 6, 2007 9:20 PM (3 minutes ago)

people still do that. white stripes? wolfmother? etc?

i seem to recall reading something on dj history about a cheesy big club remix of 'eurodans'. which is sort of hilarious.

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link

can you still buy bootleg ready-made mixes of the current top/hit rap hitz all mixed together and remixed? on vinyl? in philly you could buy those at Funk-O-Rama and other stores.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

readymades for the party dj. this was years ago. but i assume they still exist.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i started a thread about the spam i get about french edit parties/nights and i listened to one of can's mother sky and it was so bad. so bad that i didn't listen to any of the other ones.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

at least they don't tell you : Penis Enlarge Patch will make your dick big enough to play football on it.

― jaxon, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

scott, you're talking about d.i.r.t.y and the pilooski edit of can, right? I don't always keep up but there was something I just downloaded from them that I dug.

and how soon we forget the Trevor Jackson mix, not the Playgroup DJ kicks (which is one of my faves) but the other one that was no more then like 20 seconds of every classic early 80s dance cut. I never got a copy of it but it was a trainspotters dream (or nightmare).

My issue with the idea of cutting out the "boring" bits is that it plays right into where a lot of these kids are coming from, which is the dance rock kind of context where everything is so high energy (volume-wise, not Patrick Cowley-wise) and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc.

― dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

My issue with the idea of cutting out the "boring" bits is that it plays right into where a lot of these kids are coming from, which is the dance rock kind of context where everything is so high energy (volume-wise, not Patrick Cowley-wise) and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc.

-- dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:34 (9 hours ago)

i agree wholeheartedly with this.

can you still buy bootleg ready-made mixes of the current top/hit rap hitz all mixed together and remixed? on vinyl? in philly you could buy those at Funk-O-Rama and other stores.

-- scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:39 (15 hours ago)

readymades for the party dj. this was years ago. but i assume they still exist.

-- scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:40 (15 hours ago)

there was a bit of a shitstorm here in toronto surrounding these kids who were using their own premixes for parties.

it sort of plays into dan's comment about there being no subtleties of mood or feeling that people can do this and sorta get away with it. the only feeling is UP UP UP. plus the technology makes it so much easier to put whatever 20 corny gimmicky songs together at home.

how do you all feel about bands doing covers a la mountain of one "can't be serious" or glass candy "miss broadway"?

i saw soulwax do their live band thing and it was much like their dj sets where there were tiny bits and pieces of songs quickly spliced into their own material. it was interesting to see, but a bit soul-less i think.

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc."

isn't that what "young people" want though? that repetition of the money shot over and over. not just in dance music either. but there too. 20,000 Dutch gabber fans can't be wrong!

(i like it too, by the way. mostly for nullification of the self/religious reasons.)

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

think this might have something to do with the resurgence in cocaine use?

― BATTAGS, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

scott, you're talking about d.i.r.t.y and the pilooski edit of can, right? I don't always keep up but there was something I just downloaded from them that I dug.

I get those emails too, the Can one is probably the worst one. I like the JJ Cale, Frankie Valli, Human Beinz the best.

― dmr, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Mike Simonetti of TMU?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

― dan selzer, Sunday, 8 April 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

late to to teh party m8s, but here are my two #####. there's no mood anymore because people aren't looking for magic, an experience, a transcendant kinda thing (despite the whole "cosmic" motif these days, no one's doing any of that 'open ur mind + heart' shit). people want the coke, bat-shit out of your minds kinda experience, or the "I'm so cool cuz I'm here" - so, you get "UP UP UP", corny gimmicks, horribly lame underground clothing label-type mixes, etc.

When psychotropic drugs and that social atmosphere come back into fashion (if ever, and maybe they have somewhere cooler than me), then you'll probably get people favoring music that's a little weirder and moodier. But, 2007 = lindsey lohan, obsessive materialism, narcissism, cocaine, internet-age ADHD, etc. - so it's what u get.

― uhrrrrrrr10, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:11 (sixteen years ago) link

are you saying its hard to enjoy disco music on coke?

― g®▲đұ, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I get those emails too, the Can one is probably the worst one. I like the JJ Cale, Frankie Valli, Human Beinz the best.

apparently the frankie valli one has been signed for a legit release by some british label who wanna sell it as this year's 'crazy'.

― haitch, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

2007 = lindsey lohan, obsessive materialism, narcissism, cocaine, internet-age ADHD

this and this

you get "UP UP UP", corny gimmicks, horribly lame underground clothing label-type mixes, etc.

is OTM, but you're making a mistake conflating the disco edit movement with this. if anything, that movement is about decreasing the energy - cutting out all the fun bits and only keeping the dull, "tasteful" parts. worst idea ever, i say.

i'm quite fond of the idea of Diplo as our generation's Jive Bunny, i must say.

― Jeb, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link

are you saying its hard to enjoy disco music on coke?

No, it's hard to enjoy disco when everyone else is on coke and your quad-dipped tabs are starting to come on and the guy next to you with the lava lamp for a face just won't shut up...

― DJ Logan5, Monday, 4 June 2007 06:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm still not understanding the point of edits like this edit of the turtles 'happy together' by Todd Terje. sounds like he looped the intro once, pumped up the bass and added a bit of effects towards the end. what'd that take him, 10 minutes?

http://americanathlete.blogspot.com/2007/06/introducing-wade-nichols.html

― jaxon, Monday, 4 June 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

But that's often the point of an "edit" as opposed to a "remix". And they often take 10 minutes.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link

it's for people who would do mashups but don't have the talent, basically ;)

― never acid again, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

naaah edits generally don't fuck with the originals too much, just make them more "deejay-able" - ie a bit more intro, bass and effects

― jaime, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Exactly, nowadays it can be as simple as just running a live drum based song through ableton to set the tempo perfectly.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

boring

― jaxon, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link

like putting stabilisers on your bike

― never acid again, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Eh, works for me.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link

no one here is taking a purist "all edits are bad" stance, right?

we can all agree that there are good ones and bad ones, however different that may be defined.

― g®▲đұ, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

anyone who says all edits are bad has obv never heard anything by beatconductor or tangoterje

― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link

well i think the thing that should be questioned is whether or not they should be pressed and offered for sale. altho of course it'd be impossible to make that kind of judgement, the impression i've always gotten is that dj's would make em for personal use, personalized for their own sets. i mean, if you're a budding producer or whatever it's probably a nice way to learn stuff but i don't know about building a whole reputation on edits.

― jaime, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I'm speaking purely in terms of edits as a DJ tool. Occasionally, an edit is worth releasing, but it's rare.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

nothing wrong with stars on 45 is there?

― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Love the Tangoterje edit of Paul Simon's "Diamonds on the Souls of her Shoes". It ends up halfway between Studio and Arthur Russell's "In The Light of the Miracle".

― Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

If they are using Ableton/Audacity/Whatever to tighten up the beats on these edits they need to do a lot better job cause I still have to warp the shit outta them!

― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Rune Lindbaek's Afrika I'm looking at you here.

― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Geraldo Pine - Heavy Heavy Heavy (Catch & Release Heavy Lifting Edit)

― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 14 June 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I am obsessed with Peter Visti's remix of Dolly Parton's "Jolene". Amazing.

― Tim F, Saturday, 23 June 2007 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...