TOOL - C/D!?

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Perhaps the worst band of all time.

Seth (Sef), Sunday, 14 May 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, that was useful! I don't know what got into me, being impressed by their music, lyrics and art like that. Thanks to your insightful post, I have now seen the light and will never listen to them again. Thank you!

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 14 May 2006 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/45019/

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 14 May 2006 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

holy shit that video is amazing!

punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The world would be a considerably better place if Maynard had died and Staley survived...

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 14 May 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Are they scared to write a memorable song?

Seth Powell (Sef), Sunday, 14 May 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The world would be a considerably better place if Maynard had died and Staley survived...

Hmm, now the Lollapalooza 1993 flashbacks are kicking in (Maynard backed up Layne pretty well on "Rooster," it has be said).

Are they scared to write a memorable song?

Desperate but not serious, I see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Their new album is amazing. Bought it first day of release and seem to play it over and over again.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 14 May 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i like that siegbran finds the time to pop in and dis tool! there is something about this band...they bring it out in people.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i like that siegbran finds the time to pop in and dis tool!

I like it too! I have my parallels. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

my theory is that there are certain bands-- Tool included-- that wouldn't bother people so much if there wasn't such a good reason to despite their fan base.

punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

haha
owned! wikipedia is the unassailable, definitive, unquestionable source on everything!

-- Alex in Baghdad (fdslk...), May 4th, 2006.

so, Primus and Tool started nu-metal. Wow. I can see how Rage are linked but if you can say just because the band members of Korn and Linkin Park admire Tool, that they were the god fathers, you'd be a ratard. They probably also like the agression in bands like Pantera, doesn't mean they're god fathers to such a god'forsakin' horrid genre though.

boo! (micarl), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

the new CD is solid. takes a few listens and there are some preludes which could be left out but over all, i like it

boo! (micarl), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i heard a tool fan trying to convert a non-believer a couple weeks ago in the record store and i did kinda want to kill him.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

new album kinda roolz!

city of gyros (chaki), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, let me amend that. the other dude was ALREADY a tool fan and the uber-tool fan was still trying to convert him. that's what bugged me. dude was cornered. "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THEM LIVE?" "nnnn...no" "IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE THEM LIVE OH MY GOD GO!!" it went on like that for quite a while. dude should have said yes.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Lord.

My friend Tom out here says that when he went to get the album on the day of release, they had already sold out at the Best Buy he was at, and the various fans there forlornly looking for a record and commiserating with him on the state of affairs included a Mexican-American woman in her late forties and a biker dude in his late twenties or so. Tool, the band that brings everyone together (when the uberfans don't get in the way).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Stop Removing or Altering The Tool References From The Article

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I like this kid's crazy list of what constitutes a metal band.

"Its sound can change because of technology, but most of the time you can´t guess the release year of a song you don´t know. It doesn´t follow trends."

"Its music does not have lyrics with common topics you can found in radio"

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

btw sry if i suck at this..im new at Wikipedia

A Perfect Tool among many!

George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 15 May 2006 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

with each album the tool fanbase seems to be getting dumber, louder, zealous, thin-skinned and defensive. why?

maybe it's the political climate, or perhaps it's the effect of the internet becoming more pervasive and ubiquitous than ever. perhaps it is the entering of saturn into uranus, activating thelemic archetypes on the third level of the etheric plane. perhaps i am tired and trying too hard.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

in summation: "DUDE I TOTALLY DRANK MAYNARD'S SWEAT!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Stoner.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

though i must say: upon only two listens to "10,000 days" i can't say that i'm all that impressed. i heard the first single a month ago and could predict every chord change. but it must grow on me, i suppose.

so: did it grow? because after one listen i'm not sure when i'll go back. surprisingly dull. but i have this sneaking suspicion i need to put more time in with it; that i missed something.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

You did. (I am biased.) It took three listens for me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i shall return to it, and try harder.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

YES DAMN YOU. (I tease.) Keep in mind my little note above -- it's a very oddly structured album but not impenetrable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

if only i had the money these days to buy drugs

late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The album's gone platinum in the States and is still in the top ten. I am merry. And it's still my album of the year at this point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE THEM LIVE OH MY GOD GO!!"

OTM. Seen them in Düsseldorf last week, they're pretty amazing.

StanM (StanM), Monday, 12 June 2006 05:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The first memory I have of Tool was when I was 16 or 17, and my friend played me that Aenema record, saying how great the band is. I remember staring at the hologram cover, thinking "People actually think this cover is cool?!". When I heard the actual music, it fitted the cover perfectly. Now, I don't have anything against hologram covers per se, but like with prog wankery, I can appreciate them only if they're light-hearted and fun. Because no matter how "deep" and "dark" you try to make it look, it's still a fucking hologram cover!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 12 June 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

b-b-but Tuomas if you flip the "deep" "dark" insert around it's an animated picture of a guy sucking his own dick while the band sits on a couch in front of him, with the lead singer stark naked standing up to throw an apparently (ahem)used tissue onto the floor. There's nothing fun about that?

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, plus recipes for cookies laced with turkish hash...recited in german!

latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, okay, maybe you just have a different idea of "fun".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

tool should totally make their next album an epic concept piece about frolicking in the snow with photogenic finnish friends

latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link

;-)

latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

They invented a fake religion! The drummer was in Green Jello! The singer was the voice of the pigs on that Green Jello song about the Three Little Pigs! I seriously doubt that these guys hate fun.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe everyone didn't completely shit on this album - I say this as a fan of the previous two. This one is a dreadful rehash, that spends as least as much time mucking about in formless ambient goo as it does in limp (and even kinda Limp) "rock-out" segments. And Maynard's lyrics are worse than ever (and don't start on "Wings for Marie" either, 'cause tragic subject matter doesn't excuse poor lyricism!) and the only new ingredient besides poor found-sound is the addition of abortive sub-"Graceland" hand drumming.

Keep at the vineyard, Keenan, don't mind the studio.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

See, I like A Perfect Circle too, so I still am in the demographic for the new one.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I also like APC! I didn't bother with the covers album, mind.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

rolling stone luvz the lyrics:


"Tool's dense, often quasi-religious lyrics have always been among the most overwrought in mainstream metal -- no small feat. But the music has such anthemic power that even the most cynical listener can find himself chanting along to lines like "To ascend, you must die!/You must be crucified!"

On 10,000 Days, their fourth album, Tool maintain a level of craftsmanship and virtuosity unparalleled in metal. On the opener, "Vicarious," the quartet reprises its primary formula, which dates back to the 1993 debut, Undertow: Each player keeps his own syncopated version of the central groove until they unite for the first of many spine-tingling crescendos -- then, just as sharply, the foursome de-crescendos into a brooding instrumental jam, as the rhythmic and melodic lines meander and cross until the next explosion. The web of shifting dynamics and time signatures sounds so primal, so visceral, that any lyrical message seems incredibly important.

Singer Maynard Keenan's operatic vocals, alternately simmering and shrill, are more personal and less pretentious here than ever before. The album title refers to the time between when Keenan's mother became paralyzed in the 1980s and when she died, in 2003, an experience that inspires some of Keenan's most poignant lyrics yet ("10,000 days in the fire is long enough/You're going home"). More than fifteen years into Tool's career, he has composed words with the depth and resonance to match the music."

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"On 10,000 Days, their fourth album, Tool maintain a level of craftsmanship and virtuosity unparalleled in metal."


no comment.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

But they're experts at RS, it must be true!

Simon: I really kinda mainline Tool at this point -- I hesitate to say they do no wrong, but anyway. Like I mentioned above, my initial listens were a bit deflating, but then I caught the 'mood' of the album, for lack of a better term, and it all made sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I *might* be able to *maybe* understand why people would like it, but it just sounds so damn boring to me. Also, in a few songs, I keep hearing a main riff from "Third Eye" popping up. then again I'm not sure there's any riff that song didn't hit!

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

There was something in The Guardian's TV guide section this week about Tool playing Britain and they were described as "average heavy metal".


Whatever your feelings towards them that description is just wrong. I would have thought The Guardian could afford to employ more kowledgable writers.

mei (mei), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I've always hated Tool -- they're so relentlessly grimy, unpleasant, and self-important, in that high-school-theater-tech-guy-in-a-trenchcoat-and-fedora-who-really-likes-Fight Club kind of way.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

nah man, they got a pretty silly sense of themselves.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

That's another thing -- their alleged sense of humor is fucking awful. Like if somebody took Monty Python, completely missed the point, and stripped out all the craft and timing that makes the absurdity work. In short, it's the kind of sense of humor a person with no sense of humor cultivates in order to seem Wacky and Different.

It's worse than the rest of their authorial voice, if that's possible.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of an 'alleged sense of humor'...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link


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