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I don't have any problems with my mac. I am one of those who falls in between. : /

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

no problems using it that is. I don't really use it for too much fancy tho really, I guess.

the build quality could be a whole lot better. but I have an uncle who works at apple so I get it all cheap (maintenance &.) fr free anyway < /flounces off, smug as all hell>

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, posting from Ally's computer doesn't make me listen to you.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

What UNIX commands are you needing to use? I only see them being needed for compiling bullshit or touching thing THAT YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FUCK WIT

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

give me one fucking example

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

*insert GIF of dogs going at it here*

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

rm
make

at least, off the top of my head, except oh wait Jon is going to turn all my programs into .pkgs for me and put them on .dmgs that are in .sits so it is all easy and doubleclickable

so just
rm

well maybe

rm
cd
ls

in case I want to look at the files in some of my directories BESIDES HOME for troubleshooting reasons but wait OS X always runs like a dream, troubleshooting isn't necessary! Invisible files should always stay invisible! You shouldn't be able to see that, it never needs to be touched!

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

wait, MAKE? You are not a typical end user, goodbye!

When have you had to "look somewhere" for "troubleshooting reasons"??

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

who the fuck is a "typical end user??" I paid money, I want the thing to do what I ask it to without me having to jump over the nerds and through the bell laboratories, you seem to have not read Ally's post and my post and all the other posts where it has been noted that if you drop cash on an OS and hardware to run with it you might expect it all to at least have the same functionality out of the box as an OS that comes for free and runs on outmoded bargian basement x86 shit.

my mom? she uses the iTMS and iPhoto a lot. She your typical end user?

haha the one time I have had to investigate some invisible files to troubleshoot things was when I realized gcc was broken and I couldn't use CPAN. Oh and a week ago when the iShockXDriver flooded my logs and flung shit everywhere.

So I guess you're right, Jon, either I should devote myself to *nix and just get my next OS for free or I should just use iTunes and iPhoto and be a happy little imbecile with no interest in any functionality other than that Apple built in. I don't see what standpoint you're even arguing from besides rabid, drooling Apple fanboy. It doesn't matter though! you win! I use MAKE, I have no right to expect that Apple let me use the Finder the way EVERY OTHER *NIX WINDOW MANAGER WORKS.

Have you ever noticed how annoying female college students who are into Franz Ferdinand are, Jon?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

you're getting angry! You confused Window Managers and File Managers.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, did you just call your mother an imbecile???

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

No I think YOU confused MY GENITALS for YOUR HAT

xpost could very well have.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I blame crappy shareware for all your problems.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.factor-software.com/images/boom_3.png

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon has raised throwing water onto an oil fire to an art form!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the better version of this thread:
How dumb are mac users

http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how no one has explained to me yet as to why I shouldn't have just built my own computer with parts given to me as gifts from good friend who is IT manager and just installed Linux on it instead of trying to use a stupid old Mac if it's going to make me have to use UNIX anyway to get it to the SAME FUNCTIONALITY LEVEL AS OS9.

except minus the easy change customizo fonts thing for your GUI :( :( :(

http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

I have to admit that I kind of thought the end of Mac was a long, long time ago, long before iPods and iWork and iCute and all that. It was when they released the EMAC for the first time. That was when I realized I would soon not be happy with their developments.

THINGS WERE ALL BETTER, FOR ALL OF US, IN 1994.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean my self-made computer with Linux on it would've cost approximately $800,000,000 less than the Mac :( :( :(

JON WHERE WERE YOU LAST YEAR, TO TELL ME ALL OF THIS SMUG NONSENSE???

For good measure
http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I just ordered parts and am assembling my own windows PC. The parts are all warrantied individually by their respective manufacturers (they're often quite long, and some are lifetime!).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They should have bought Be as well as NeXT.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, not for *all* of us, but I see your point. I'm still waiting for computers to get significantly better than they were ten years ago. They're smaller and faster now, but ten years ago you've have guessed that computers now would be somehow fundamentally better, that they would have learned to attack problems in new ways instead of throwing more processor speed and more fat graphics at the same ol' computing experience.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, that was supposed to quote ally: THINGS WERE ALL BETTER, FOR ALL OF US, IN 1994.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

if it's going to make me have to use UNIX anyway to get it to the SAME FUNCTIONALITY LEVEL AS OS9.

I ask you, what do you have to do to get same functionality level??????????????????

I hardly ever use my terminal application for anything other than ssh to real UNIX systems. My system runs (nearly!) flawlessly for months at a time.

When I ran a free UNIX, I had constant headaches with crappy x86 hardware and Linux. Package upgrades breaking things; OpenGL not workingp; blocking operations in graphical programs preventing GUI redraws, etc. Linux is SO FAR BEHIND OS X for normal desktop use.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/5thape-promking.jpg

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom line: is *anyone* totally satisfied with their computer/OS ?

I think Ned Ludd was onto something.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Then again, OS development has been in the shitter since CP/M

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

totally satisfied with my thinkpad except it's not silver. this thread has made me call off my powerbook buying plans.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

(i run win 2000 NT)

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom line: is *anyone* totally satisfied with their computer/OS ?

yes

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

vahid i think the Scientific Consensus here is that Powerbooks = good, and iBooks = teh bad. my PB screen acts up, true, but it's the very first G4 PB design ever made.. and you know the old thingie, "never get version 1.0 of anything". for what it's worth i'm still using it, and my upthread disgruntledness aside, it still works fine. i've gone from OS9 to X to X.3.6 without ever formatting anything!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

also Tiger is going to be approx. 10000000000x better than anything that runs on a Pentium. http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail338.html

gah I've just done a complete 180.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Spotlight search technology - oh wow the new Sherlock, exactly 10% more useful than the old sherlock. I have gmail = WHOCARES
multi-person video and audio conferencing with iChat = vomit
Dashboard = oh wow I can run the calculator on my desktop
GPU based image processing with Core Image = what
64-bit application support = like what
syncing = actually i got tired of my .mac account and the way my phone ended up with doubles of everything, so uh what
enhancements to the Unix support in Mac OS X = see ABOVE, mother FUCKERS
Safari RSS = what is Safari
VoiceOver = I am not fucking handicapped
Automator = ok finally a gui devkit for applescript. that makes sense
H.264 = oh hooray, i mean what
Setup Assistant = ONLY THING ON THIS LIST I CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE HAVING A REAL USE FOR. BESIDES THE CALCULATOR ON THE DESKTOP THING WHICH IS REALLY JUST PATHETIC, NOT EXCITING OR WORTH MONEY.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparantly the Mac is now "Fuck Off, fuck fuck off you fucking piece of fucking shit"


(Though to be fair the PC next to me is "Piss, bollocks, poo")

mei (mei), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

CoreImage, CoreVideo, and H.264 all really float my boat as does 64bit userland because that means I can scale my SAN volumes to the petabytes.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a very boring person though.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

If I ever, ever, ever need to scale anything to petabytes for my personal work and enjoyment then it's time to strap on the gelignite codpiece. I have been inside what is likely to be the most massive and powerful data center on the earth and the current amount of storage there altogether added up to about two point one petabytes at the time. Though they may be up to about 3 by now.

I just want a computer which allows me to customize its functionality in a relatively simple fashion which is constructed from reliable hardware. I think most of what is being implemented now, by all vendors, amounts to a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't improve my user experience really much at all. I think that OS and hardware design should be about creating a solid foundation, and functionality beyond basic administrative/file mgmt/config tasks should be left up to third party developers. I dislike the fact that Apple has taken the competition out of the arena w/r/t iTunes and iPhoto et al. and think it bodes ill for the future of the platform.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Bells and whistles example: my new computer, which arrived the other day, apparently has some sort of music player built into the BIOS. If you ask me, that's slightly over-the-top.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

you know what would be a nice feature? An option to make the Caps Lock key into a Bold Lock key or an Italic Lock key. That would be a really good feature. Nobody thinks of these things.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

This is most successful thread ever--yay!

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I could do maybe a half hour of investigation and write you a little Windows application that would do that, Tom. GO WIN32API!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

(actually the petabyte is not the issue. It's cheap SAN volumes larger than 15TB that I want, and this is just for work)

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom line: is *anyone* totally satisfied with their computer/OS ?

Yes, I used to be.

Hahahahahaha Tom you don't even have a caps lock key.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The parts are all warrantied individually by their respective manufacturers (they're often quite long, and some are lifetime!).

This is also OTM, individual parts purchased all seem to have better warranties than a plain ol' computer straight outta teh box! WTF.

As for "normal end user functionality", here's the simplest, stupidest, most pointless one to have removed I could think of, and one that, if my mom switches back to a Mac, would irritate the shit out of her (since I think we decided "moms" are the bench mark of "normal end users" for Macs earlier??): http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/mac111004.html

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah parts from individual third-party manufacturers often have very nice warranties, like the sound card in my college roommate's computer that failed under warranty and blew up his modem somehow in the process. He called to have it replaced and discovered that the company had been bought by another manufacturer in the meanwhile, and that the new owners had no interest in keeping the promises associated with their purchase.

I'm not saying this is typical, mind you, just saying there's no perfect solution in building-your-own, either, as Jon points out above w/r/t Linux hardware support and such.

Honey, would you download and install TinkerTool onto my/our laptop when you get a chance? I'm kinda boggled I haven't already.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's another article about basically what I'm talking about above: http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,55395,00.html

It's already done, you still can't change that ugly ass font that is under the icons but teh programs and clock are all PRETTY now

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and for the above story: that's completely unusual (two of our old vendors had the same buy out issue and the new owners bent over backwards to keep warranties et al going) and actually if your roommate took his sad story to some other manufacturer/seller, I can think of at least two that have offered me DEALS to get me as a customer of their other products.

Smaller folx tend to be a lot less evil than your HPs. But yeah, it's only a "perfect solution" if you know what you're doing.

Of course Spencer isn't dumb enough to run any of these OSes, he's installing Windows on it, so what's the point here?

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I tried changing my fonts with Tinkertool but it didn't work :( Then again, I tried for about two seconds.

Caps-Lock (or anything else) as a sticky "bold" key - try Butler, I'm not sure if it will do that but it might, it does just about everything else.

Personally, I'd like to see some kind of stab at way of managing things and activating things that doesn't rely on this desktop/file folder model that we've been going with ever since the first Mac came out. Why should I ever have to know the "path" to where something's been saved? Why should I ever have to "save" anything at all? It's all so dorky, I feel like I spend half my time drilling through folders, it can take so long that I forget what I'm even doing half the time.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I am really not that bothered about being able to change the default system fonts. that seems a lame and petty little gripe.

Amen to Tracers last point.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link


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