Colly's Folly
― Tom D., Thursday, 26 June 2008 09:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Utterly ridiculous
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Louis where is your outrage?!!
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
That's some bullshit right there.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm outraged, if that helps!
― Neil S, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
It's crazy. They refused to come out and play and the game was forfeited. How can that be changed? A draw?? yes I know Pakistan probably would've have won it unless England had a remarkable comeback, but they refused to play. The laws of the game are they forfeit the match. They could've won the game then made a complaint. But they didn't. It's a complete farce. Who the fuck is running the ICC?
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Jonathan Agnew made a good point in that article linked to above: if you're losing, just refuse to come out and play, and you'll get a draw.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Or at least that's the precedent the ICC is setting.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
If this affected the series outcome they would never have changed it.
― Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, don't like some umpire decisions and just refuse to play and that's cricket fucked.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Did the result of that one dayer were Sherwin Campbell was allowed to come back out to bat after being run out because of a collision with Brendon Julian stand?
― Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
No idea
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/F10569147?show=50
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
It's a fantastically relaxing game to watch.
The fielding arrangements seem to conform immaculately to the principles of Feng Shui.
― PhilK, Thursday, 3 July 2008 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Louis you seen this yet?
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah and I'm fucking appalled, partially because history has looked dimly upon the Pakistan team's integrity and partially because I predicted 3-0 before the series began and went round crowing to everyone after that wound up the eventual (although alas impermanent) scoreline.
― Just got offed, Friday, 4 July 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Have any of you cricket guys read "Anyone but England" by Mark Marqusee? Really gave me a different perspective on cricket and the often dodgy politics that surrounds it. One of his points was that Pakistan have a history of unproven innuendos about ball tampering being made against them, for example in the 1992 series in England. This might explain why they took such umbrage in 2006.
― Neil S, Friday, 4 July 2008 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
The only argument Pakistan could possibly have is that they were well on top in the match when it was called off, and probably bound for victory. But they made their decision and had to face the consequences. Protesting by staying off the field is pretty much a one-way ticket to loserville, and Hair's accusations of ball-tampering were, I'd imagine, well-founded. Most countries have done it at some point, if you're caught, 5-run penalty, fines, accept it, carry on. Don't throw a fucking strop like idiot babies.
No I haven't read that book but it look intersting, will investigate!
― Just got offed, Friday, 4 July 2008 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, in yesterday's Evening Standard (picked up free of charge on a train, not bought) I found the word "umbrage" spelt "umbridge". Either listening to the Archers while writing or just plain flaming incompetent. Note to newspapers: please employ people who are not iliterate (HINT).
― Just got offed, Friday, 4 July 2008 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh I agree that Pakistan were wrong to walk off, it's just that their actions didn't come out of nowhere, and that there's a history to this. You're right that all countries have a history of ball tampering, but it seems to be Pakistan in England that get pilloried for it.
I would highly recommend the Marqusee book. He's an American sociologist who fell in love with cricket in the 70s. This gives him an outsiders view of the game, and he has some pithy stuff to say about it.
― Neil S, Friday, 4 July 2008 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I found the word "umbrage" spelt "umbridge". Either listening to the Archers while writing or just plain flaming incompetent. Note to newspapers: please employ people who are not iliterate (HINT).
Is that a "don't employ me, please" hint, then?
― Forest Pines Mk2, Friday, 4 July 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah, self-depracation will only get you so far it seems.
― Just got offed, Friday, 4 July 2008 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Shoaib needs a job
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
BBC now reporting Michael Holding has resigned from the ICC over the issue.
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Michael Holding has resigned from cricket's governing body, the ICC, over its decision to change the result of a 2006 Test between England and Pakistan.Pakistan were deemed to have forfeited the game at the Oval after they refused to return to the field when umpires accused them of ball tampering.The tourists were later cleared of the latter offence and on Thursday the outcome of the match changed to a draw. "That game should never, ever be a draw," said West Indies legend Holding. 606: DEBATE Give your reaction to this storyHolding agrees Pakistan were innocent of ball-tampering but insists their refusal to retake the field should have been punished."When you take certain actions, you must be quite happy to suffer the consequences," he said."I have just written my letter of resignation to the ICC Cricket Committee because I cannot agree with what they've done."A lot of things that are happening today that I don't want to be involved with, so I've moved on."
Pakistan were deemed to have forfeited the game at the Oval after they refused to return to the field when umpires accused them of ball tampering.
The tourists were later cleared of the latter offence and on Thursday the outcome of the match changed to a draw. "That game should never, ever be a draw," said West Indies legend Holding.
606: DEBATE Give your reaction to this story
Holding agrees Pakistan were innocent of ball-tampering but insists their refusal to retake the field should have been punished.
"When you take certain actions, you must be quite happy to suffer the consequences," he said.
"I have just written my letter of resignation to the ICC Cricket Committee because I cannot agree with what they've done.
"A lot of things that are happening today that I don't want to be involved with, so I've moved on."
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Fucking West Indies. Thirteen needed off three and a half overs with six wickets in hand and they lose by 1 run. Shit, shit, shit.
― Just got offed, Friday, 4 July 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Michael Holding in integrity in cricket vs historical revisionism shockah.
Pakistan refused to return to the field. Therefore, they forfeited. The game therefore was not, and never will be, a draw.
― SeekAltRoute, Saturday, 5 July 2008 10:08 (fifteen years ago) link
So can we expect low scores from England againt the SA bowlers and a 4-0 test series defeat?
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Not if this rain keeps up.
― Ed, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link
You think that's Englands only hope?
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I come to the cricket thread and what are the English talking about? The weather.
― moley, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Throwdowns to Graeme: England - SA series summer '08
― Just got offed, Thursday, 10 July 2008 05:44 (fifteen years ago) link
and its a collapse
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 10 July 2008 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
England 148-3 v South Africa day oneEngland lost three wickets in three overs to slip to 117-3 midway through the first afternoon at Lord's.Andrew Strauss (44) had looked in good touch after England were put in, but he was given out by Daryl Harper to one replays showed pitched outside leg.Until then the South African attack had not threatened England, Alastair Cook notching his 11th fifty in a 114 stand.But Michael Vaughan (2) missed a good one from Dale Steyn that swung away and Cook (60) gloved a brutal rising ball.
England lost three wickets in three overs to slip to 117-3 midway through the first afternoon at Lord's.
Andrew Strauss (44) had looked in good touch after England were put in, but he was given out by Daryl Harper to one replays showed pitched outside leg.
Until then the South African attack had not threatened England, Alastair Cook notching his 11th fifty in a 114 stand.
But Michael Vaughan (2) missed a good one from Dale Steyn that swung away and Cook (60) gloved a brutal rising ball.
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 10 July 2008 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Bell and KP partnership of 192 takes England up to 309-3. Well done (now keep going tomorrow!)
Good batting pitch so wonder why SA put ENG in to bat.
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 10 July 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Smith should have known it was a slow pitch, but thats easy for me to say innit!
Great century from Pietersen. Lets hope Bell gets his tomorrow as well.
― Neil S, Thursday, 10 July 2008 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link
and i hope they make big scores and colly/ambrose contribute too
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Well played Ian Bell!
― Neil S, Friday, 11 July 2008 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link
use the ILC thread!
― Just got offed, Friday, 11 July 2008 11:09 (fifteen years ago) link
No.
Colly just got an absolutely shocking decision there.
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 11 July 2008 11:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm going to ignore you until you use the specific thread
― Just got offed, Friday, 11 July 2008 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
did someone speak?
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 11 July 2008 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Fuck david cameron on TMS.
― Jarlrmai, Friday, 11 July 2008 12:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Agreed.
― Neil S, Friday, 11 July 2008 12:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm glad I have sky sports then
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd rather a fly in my ointment than be smeared with shit ;)
― Jarlrmai, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
As long as that cunt stays away from sky sports coverage
― Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 11 July 2008 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Well done Bell, shame about the double hundred miss -- but I'm glad he actually made a great contribution when I didn't believe he could. Hopefully he'll go on now and that 199 won't be read any other way, should he not go on an be amazing for England.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 11 July 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
It's a real shame he didn't get the 200. I remember when Gooch was out for 196 against Australia in 1985. And of course his 333 4 years later.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
5 i mean