i know everybody else has already forgotten abt it but can we have one chillwave thread that isnt entirely ¡LOLwave! or w/e

frhof

if washed out are chillwave, they're really nice. and memory tapes too? what are the criteria here? do studio or manual get in on this?

i also like this bc it has a saxamaphone in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx0V5G9Zuvs

shit i didnt actually mean to type saxamaphone

but yeah i guess not?

don't know how chillwave pearl harbor are but i <3 their EP

liking this guy, kind of a mix of lo-fi r'n'b and what my housemate described as "save africa music".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxLY9l5Fmmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc9xV8tE_-4

ban plaxico

That How To Dress Well track is ok, but the only thing R&B about is the sample's sample source.

I'd rather dance than chill, personally...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5RiWHWMVgg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/20100104-ga2dk1c2pxbebge55xxyyt7ben.jpg

yeah how to dress well are also great, i <3 that video for decisions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDG1LbOoANY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8cJ0LB3Yiw

came here to complain there was no lamp post btw!

haha cant shake these chill vibes bro. srsly wish the 7" version of ar kane's "when your sad" was up on youtube - seminal imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGhGpciODa4

really like this dude (?) + feel like 'chillwave' is better/cooler/more meaningful when its kinda gauze-y + grasping rather than like "lol super nintendo" or w/e. nostalgia as absence, innocence as loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z3Lg2JNeoc

also kinda obsessed w/ this ever since sum1 used to close out a RA podcast - not really chillwave obv but i think its gr8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFhQMgV5Xus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhqlenE--ho

<3 this - thinking about the connections btw like 80s dreampop 'twee' + minimal synth use of tone/space + chillwave youth/summer obsessions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCm7K9j6O00

still how many chillwave trax are just a churlish prematurely processed version of this song???? looken @ u tori y moi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkTsBy8JHZE

i guess this like p old now but i still think its better than almost anything else. love how 'big' it is but still beset by all the same anxieties - chillwave w/o inverted commas????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jql3ZF46eg0

lol @ me idk... feel like theres a legit story/narrative/case to be made in defense of chillwave its preoccupations and its aspirations. have to think about it more, probably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RCmvyvrziM

historicizing chillwave w/ lamp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQB54xvJ5rQ

lovin' your youtubez, lamp

haha when i was going thru my cds this summer i remembered how much i loved "young prayer":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XrbUma4Qa8

needs more synthesizers obv

yah 5 is the best

wonder if chillwave bros ever listen(ed) to saint etienne's http://www.discogs.com/Saint-Etienne-Avenue/release/8493? no youtube but "paper" in partic is kinda proto-chillwave if a little slow + clean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSY4NYkySM

kinda wonder y so few chillwave bands have girls in them???

that is not a st etienne song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNSsQLMeGIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdz0jas03pc

yah sorry "paper" made me think of "avenue" which made me think of "100,000 fireflies" which made me think of chillwave. the sadness/loss in chillwave is buried deeper but then everything kinda is - still dreams of escape simple and muddied~~~ given a 'wash' it could be chillwave imo? idk...

xxp

i get u

that omd song is fantastic!!!

lol im p sure theres a pale saints song that sounds really similar to this ducktails track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMNowUuAv0

but i cant remember which one it is...

i dig that ducktails disc. that's "chillwave"?

arthur russell never gets blamed for chillwave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK1mGrsm0yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irc48-JGb2g

this sounds as much like nostalgia for my suburban american HS in the '80s to me as anything else

idk im not as good at this as u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo8kSVmMVnU

now thats not remotely true~~ (xp)

i dig that ducktails disc. that's "chillwave"?

yah - s.thing like "parasailing" is obv closer to the chillwave platonic ideal than that track but theyre def w/in the 'framework' imm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6IvNU8g9Xs&feature=related

fwiw stuff like this which is on the more annoying + appropriative end of what i think of as chillwave does remind me a little of that nachtstrom album altho its less about reimagining than just "taking"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYeYtTbYinI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbpSkTPr1g0

have u heard any emily reo plax???? she release(ing?) a tape on breakfast of champions that i really like. but it does make me think of those microphones records (i may be the only person alive wholl still cop to liking those...)

i think i like chillwave that sounds like calvin + hobbes @ their most contemplative and insecure

oh man the microphones were totally chillwave

but phil elvrum as a producer is more like deerhunter-style spectorism

also lamp I luv u for the AR Kane reference upthread, good call man

How To Dress Well is amazing live. His voice sounds really good not annoyingly over distorted all the time.

of all chillwave-related artists, I think that Chaz Bundick (Toro y Moi / Les Sins) is way underhyped, while his tracks often are great, whether he does french touch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1_rf40Z5cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7fU7nC4pbQ
(this one is a straight Stardust reference and I believe I posted it somewhere before, but the hell with it, there's never enough of quality french house)
whether he plays his guitar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jAtqco2Lbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZIxBLdu-tI
or whether he does more "traditionally" electronic chillwave stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTgp465n5f0

I've seen him live a week ago and it was fun too

(sorry for a wall of yts, at least they're not bad songs after all)

god someday i need to hear this nachtstrom guy

**CHILLWAVE MOMENT**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPu7ZDDLB54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFunvF0mDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqPIq1gBPjY

pioneer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA6unD11ySA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB7JYCxVvJo

^^^ lol own that record too...

**CHILLWAVE MOMENT**

a++++++

more classic chillwave moments in movie history:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ckdkg1xCw

now for some euro chillwave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hBQaxqI7cY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2XHgNE9zBw

that last track may have more to do w/ post-justice frankendance or w/e but i think it still fits okay w/in the chillwave ~idea~

or is anything thats 'danceable' automatically stop being chill? idk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79xL0iW2UCk

I dont really get how most of this stuff differs from twee indie of the last 20 odd years.

apart from the occasional band which sound like the filler tracks on a kid 606 album

then get off this thread

I quite like Jonas Reinhardt and that remix is great. Thanks for posting that.

have u heard this album belong - common era
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wu5Smvch0ZI/TbgzDURs5eI/AAAAAAAAAgM/BB97IbyPyfQ/s1600/Belong_Common%2BEra.jpeg
its mb more darkwave or something than chillwave but really beautiful & good, the vocals are breathy & lush though not evil at all. apparently they have been around for a while making ambient stuff, some long moments of that. there might be a million albums of stuff that sounds just like this (esp today) but, i haven't heard it. kind of perfect very simple, so few constituents & a really constant but deep movement thruout

i think i might have given a cursory listen 2 the belong album a few months ago but if i did it failed to leave much of an impression. will give it another go since its on my hd

flopson have u heard the grimes chicks stuff? is she big in mtl?

i do like grimes stuff, i bought a cdr a while ago that is pretty good cant seem to find it. only time i hear chillwave atmospherically here is on the pa at the loft where i first saw her, & seems to be more & more going on there lately. sounds more like 90s trip hop to me than most stuff here. my fav local chillwave thing is d'eon, sometimes pretty clubby & silly, 90s house, breakbeats, some of its close to the starsling stuff upthread

ive only heard a coupla d'eon trax but i liked their knew-age atmosphere. yeah grimes isnt really 'chillwave' but you were here & i was here & the only other darkwave threads are like hysterical whinegasms w/ ALL CAPS SARCASM soooo

time wharp - 1992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LvXZTWwARU

really feeling this guys stuff lots of interest in the intersection of memory/technology. some of his more recent stuff is p abrasive but i think this song is kinda ~pop~

ghost mountain aka stephen farris - eye rings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jRbQgLxN9E

dude has a new vhs out (!!) but this is still my favorite thing hes done that ive heard~ kinda in line w/ that star slinger/clams casino/true panther sounds playing with breakbeat thing. not really exceptional but its fun

john maus - believer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMku-GbafEg

still not sure how i feel about this record but this song is a total jam. actually have been thinking about it a lot but idk

don't know if this guy fits in here but he's friends with john maus on myspace?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stNQZGNtfPk

like the john maus it's like joy division meets neu 86

john maus has been mentioned by so many people whose taste i find terrible that i am flabbergasted it is not completely awful, that song above is quite good indeed

this band vondelpark i've been loving them like a lot. I feel like i want to start a thread about them but they've just released a couple of things. they live just up the road from me in peckham apparently but they have this shrouded in tumblr internet-absence thing going on so I dont actually know what they look like or anything. this song reminds me of staying up to watch movies on tv at my parents house during the summer holidays. like when the house is quiet and dark but everything feels close and humid. it feels bleary eyed and yearning. Its feeding into the feelings i'm having about this summer a lot and in a way i don't think i can articulate right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFv0gw4m-M

i thought it was just one guy?

mars waters - where the sun sets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKF8A1z53RY&NR=1

i guess 'surf rock' is kinda a big thing now but its p subtle here, just a steady and wistful thud, feel like this spots the comfort and wonder in being 'totally generic'

borden, ferraro, godin, nalo & lopatin - twilight pacific

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S7aFTb-J9Q&feature=related

space and time are two different things ooooh space and time are two very different things...

pedro magina - kickflip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9z2CWEJls

have i posted this before? this tape is one my fave things so far this year, squelchy and mournful synth jamz layer on layer

Pedro Magina tape is on Spotify (shockingly):

http://open.spotify.com/album/11FCwSzCHKQ2ZNOYGS4Hxx

Why do Ford & Lopatin get tagged as chillwave? I seriously dont' understand that at all.

this probably is more of tumblr post but its origins are in ilx so:

i've been thinking a fair bit about the discussion/argument that i had w/ whiney on i guess another thread about the value of 'chillwave' & particularly about the way 'nostalgia' functions as an important emotional and aesthetic throughline w/in the 'genre'. upthread i ref'd lovecraft saying 'the past is real. it's all there is' & i think this is vital to understanding in large part whats attractive/'relevant' about chillwave/the larger cultural moment. like i was reading robertson davies today and he was saying something about how 'history is the way we make sense of the present' but how do we make sense of a present that is largely indistinguishable from the past?

this evening i was djing a party where they wanted '90s classics' and it was both disconcerting and unremarkable to see ppl barely out of their teens dancing along to mid-90s house classix; there was little to no divide btw the people who might be old enough to remember the songs i was playing fondly & the people for whom these songs should have little personal/historical meaning... isnt one of the consequences of technology to help divorce cultural artifacts from history? or put another way: if i still have access to the cultural products and ephemera of my childhood via youtube, torrents, ebay &c &c isnt my affection/consumption of them essentially present-tense?

i mean plax has been smarter/more eloquent about this but i think the more retro-steeped parts of 'chillwave' are partly about confronting a past that constantly surrounds us and dealing w/ the difference in emotional states btw 'then' and 'now'. or more clearly in talking about how the past never leaves us both emotionally (we still have access to those memory/feelings) or culturally (i still hear/see those songs/vidz) it makes explicit how pervasive our personal histories are, and how lonely that feels. taking the new washed out record for example i think you can hear this lack of delineation btw modern/historical - the music doesnt really seem to speak formally of any specific moment in time while also sounding vaguely 'dated'. but also taking the lazier, more direct signifier type of thing e.g 'i named my band MIRCO MACHINES remember MICRO MACHINES' this is also a kind of confirmation, of course i remember micro machines, i could buy them on ebay if wanted, theres no mystery or distance but a basic affirmation. i think whiney would probably scoff at this but when our shared culture is so fragmented that kind of confirmation, that we exist at the same time, is kinda valuable/meaningful?

i quoted proust too itt but this isnt about creating madelines but about erecting signposts in a time when memory and experience are almost interchangeable. & this all comes back to my posts about anxiety, in this equation the future stands resolutely outside our xp but the past is perfectly ours, knowable and controlled. so it becomes a refuge.

idk thats pretty convincing but im not sure "the past is perfectly ours" i think the fraught knowability/unknowability of the past is central to how i grasp this whole thing. like the pieces are there but you can never put them back together again.

yeah i think your right i was p drunk when i wrote this, not that i dont stand behind the central idea but its not totally coherent... there are tensions i guess btw the past as lost eden and the past as slave to the present, thats part of whats driving the music really

man vondelpark is p great - really into 'california analog dream' its kinda like a mid 00s indie rock song stretched taut and irradiated

i dont where else to post about this but ken seeno's tape on nna 'invisible surfer on an invisible wave' is so fucking great just these incredible expanses of synth and space but firmly rooted in the 'natural'. i guess it probably belongs on the knew age thread but i like this thread better and knew agers are just chillwavers in the morning anyway

wet wings - feeeel it

first track off a superlimited tape on atelier ciseaux this kinda feels like a skeleton take on pastoral moanwave but then the drums come in halfway through and it starts to hit harder and the girls voice sounds like wind in the grass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En95Yc5YSB8
melted toys - lost connection

probably not the best song on their ep but i like how much of a pastiche this particular song is the heaviness of the affections make it seem kinda rootless a bristol board collage of montone dreampop and euro influences

this evening i was djing a party where they wanted '90s classics' and it was both disconcerting and unremarkable to see ppl barely out of their teens dancing along to mid-90s house classix; there was little to no divide btw the people who might be old enough to remember the songs i was playing fondly & the people for whom these songs should have little personal/historical meaning... isnt one of the consequences of technology to help divorce cultural artifacts from history?

That's it right there. Good music is good music. Young people aren't supposed to be able to recognize and enjoy good music? The whole cult of the new, and the obsession with timeliness is imo, a strange type of insanity promoted by journalists who are taught to think only about the news.

http://soundcloud.com/indigobunting

^^ recommended

in honor of both plax AND gr8080 posting on ilx again today:

blackbird blackbird - letting go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npYtt9p4kUM&feature=related

darius - maliblue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntoMKM0ToP0&feature=related

summer camp - why don't you stay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq5TXYIAdEY&feature=related

quilt - penobska oakwalk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNstbtfD_ZU

also for any interested parties reading this i wanna rep hard for the s/t quilt lp on mexican summer. its p squarely post-anco but its so winsome and shimmery u cant really hate.

sounds like incredible string band!

lol! it kinda does...

some utbues ive been listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFM2pnryfuo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guz9q22kSXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVg71K6cWJ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyhwpmnEoNA

has anyone unarchived the sandbox thread?

that cough cool is great

cough cool suffer from putting out too much stuff - their best tracks are really good, but they've released quite a bit of junk too. tbf most of the junk was free.

i think there should be a new thread

a new era of chill

rolling off to the forest 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YovbW8PjOx4&feature=related

this is where we post triphop now right?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/My-Sunshine-45-x-20-Inflatable-Chillwave-Pool-Lounge/23569858

vive le chillwave!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3d2a5xpCgw

last year's Eleventeen Eston album is really nice

http://youtu.be/fXkGJj2Zk1A

treeship, i don't know, i didn't get a chillwave vibe from that gypsy and the cat tune, apart from the treatment of the vocals maaaaybe, just seemed to have that same peter hook new order sound that is like the main fucking hallmark of most generic indie pop/rock imo

i always thought g&tc were on some anodyne washed-out new order/fleetwood mac thing but i've only ever heard them in the dentists office

yeah, i think "anodyne washed-out new order/fleetwood mac" is a good description for most mass market chillwave. there were a few great chillwave acts but there was also a flood of generic "chill" acts -- both synth and guitar-oriented -- and i think those are also part of the movement. i heard this g&tc song for the first time at shake shack.

song blows

classic thread

shit i didnt actually mean to type saxamaphone

― plax (ico), Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:25 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

ha i didn't realize that the beach boys' "all i wanna do" is considered proto-chillwave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uw

Woah that is uncanny!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV7iYytqEt4

Always thought this was proto-chillwave too. "Magic" by Mick Smiley, from the original Ghostbusters movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NY7IY5Ktyg

that beach boys thing really is kinda amazing. i haven't listened to that album for years.

it sounds like a new cass mccombs single! i mean even that hazy production is so perfect.

I've often thought of Feel Flows as also being Proto-Chillwave, but it might be closer to Proto-Hypangogic Pop.

Meanwhile, on Wikipedia...

idgaf about the rest of his output but those two washed out tunes "a new theory" and "feel it all around" from a few years ago are prtty good imo