its also not what assange is doing
― max, Friday, 6 August 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it pretty much is. don't agree w/ everything mordy is saying, but the core point that assange is an almighty dick, i am fully on board with
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Friday, 6 August 2010 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotta say the US Gov't has been pretty effective at channeling discourse surrounding the leaks from things like "Hey wait a minute, here's proof that in the midst of cutting social programs across the board due to concerns for the national debt, we're funding our enemies" to "This guy is an almighty dick".
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Also LOL @ the Pentagon demanded they "return the secret documents". Has the Pentagon ever used a computer?
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/06/1234225/Pentagon-Demands-Return-of-Leaked-Afghanistan-Documents?from=rss
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sure, it's the govt that makes me think he's a dick, dick
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
People should be legally accountable for actions that lead to people dying.
so I assume you are against people publishing things that might outrage terrorists, since terrorists often kill people because they have published things the terrorists didn't like
I mean seriously I can dig how freedom of the press is a pretty uncomfortable thing, but your position is basically only compatible with a wholly state-supervised press
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait - people with the right cards in the brims of their fedoras "weigh" that stuff, as vs. these bad guys who don't even have hats
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck trusting a hat
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
All American taxpayers are funding these wars, and have contributed far more than Wikileaks towards people dying. But yeah I think it'd be morally a good thing to do.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean seriously I can dig how freedom of the press is a pretty uncomfortable thing, but your position is basically only compatible with a wholly state-supervised press― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, August 6, 2010 3:35 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, August 6, 2010 3:35 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark
depends where you set limits on the public interest, which is the test in the UK on this kind of thing. if wikileaks illegally obtained information about a private individual and published it, that would not be cool or legal unless it were in the public interest. i basically think this recent leak can be defended as being in the public interest, but the names of informants, hmm, probably not.
anyway, assange has fucked his own petard by making his shit the centre of the story. the idea upthread was that as the NYT/Guardian/German_dudes went through the unfiltered mass of documentation, new shit would come to light. i dunno if that's really paid off. i guess they are in hock to the govt after all.
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Friday, 6 August 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Friday, August 6, 2010 4:34 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
eh, i think assange actually has higher standards of credibility for what hell print than, say, my employer
― max, Friday, 6 August 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ho snap
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Friday, 6 August 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I WENT THERE
― max, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but we're talking about a man who'd juggle bags full of ebola if it got him hits.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"All American taxpayers are funding these wars, and have contributed far more than Wikileaks towards people dying."I think wesley snipes is cool and all, but to follow this line of reasoning would lead to tax scofflaws having morally exculpated themselves, which i would like to believe on behalf of wesley snipes, but i get the feeling that most other people not paying taxes are generally either indifferent or in favor of foreigners dying. They simply don't want to pay for the bullets (or any life-saving treatment).
in order to demonstrate wikileaks culpability to be as diffuse as that of an average taxpayer, you'd have to show that wikileaks is about as effective as one. they at least have as much power as any tabloid, so it's not unreasonable to expect at least attempts at tabloid-level legal consequences.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Smithy, this is intellectually below you. Being irresponsible about information that could lead to someone dying is different than publishing something someone doesn't like and someone dying because of it. Think about it like this: Putting aside the "institution" of journalism (which you're already ready to do under different circumstances) we're talking about people. If I saw something that gets you angry, and you kill someone because of it, we can weigh what culpability I have in what I said. If I use racial rhetoric to inflame you and you kill someone, we understand that there's culpability, and even if I won't be legally prosecuted for murder I may be prosecuted for hate speech. We actually have the most liberal position on hate speech in the world in the United States, but there are lines you can still cross here and get in trouble. But that's one thing, what you could consider indirect culpability. I didn't tell you who to kill (except in the vaguest way), or how to do it, or where to do it. I just got you angry. Ok, that's one thing. Then there's this other thing where the information you provide actually actively leads to someone dying. You didn't inflame passions or encourage murder. You simply gave practical information that could lead to someone dying. Now there's obviously room for disagreement here -- if you publish a technical guide to poisoning someone without getting caught, you might be less responsible than if you out an informant. But this is clearly a different category of behavior than inflaming passions.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
If I say* something
― Mordy, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/22/Anarchistcookbookdsfg.jpg/200px-Anarchistcookbookdsfg.jpg
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
see my copy was missing the appendix that had a list of all the people that had ever wronged me in secret
― pies. (gbx), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3f/AnarchistCookMovie.jpg/200px-AnarchistCookMovie.jpg
LOL
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
like i am still on the side that is pro-WL here but the anarchist cookbook /= a list of informants, at least w/r/t "someone getting harmed from the release of information"
― pies. (gbx), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway thank god pennies dropped from buildings don't actually kill ppl and go a few feet into the cement because all of our older siblings would be in jail right now
― pies. (gbx), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^reads sorta like a perry bible fellowship cartoon now that i think about it
1) hey little brother, if you drop a penny off the top of that skyscraper, you get to make a wish!2) ~POV of penny, directly towards the hat of a businessman in a fedora3) little brother dragged away in cuffs, sheet over a bloodied corpse, older bro laffin and laffin
― pies. (gbx), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
wouldn't it be more like "you drop the penny, I get a wish!", then panel 2 is little bro dropping the penny while older bro closes his eyes and makes the wish, then panel 3 older bro is all "it came true!" while little bro is dragged away
― people are for loving (HI DERE), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
haha, better
― pies. (gbx), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i suppose it WAS your bible fellowship, makes sense you'd be better at this than me
http://canvaspaint.org/30ac.pngi forgot the sheet.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 August 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://reason.com/archives/2010/08/06/julian-assange-wikijournalist
― Mordy, Monday, 9 August 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
^ linked to from Sullivan, a case against calling Assange a journalist
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-10/a-western-crackdown-on-wikileaks/?update=1
― StanM, Thursday, 12 August 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
huh
― How could you forget the crazy hooker? (HI DERE), Thursday, 12 August 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Turns out Wikileaks did, in fact, ask the DoD for help in redacting the leaked documents, and DoD refused. Greenwald is, of course, all over it.
― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Friday, 20 August 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Julian Assange wanted in Sweden for rape!?
http://translate.google.se/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expressen.se%2FNyheter%2F1.2104976%2Fwikileaks-grundare-anhallen-for-valdtakt&sl=sv&tl=en
― StanM, Saturday, 21 August 2010 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Wiki twitter: "it's just a tabloid + distraction" - http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/21731365419
― StanM, Saturday, 21 August 2010 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Nice bit of character assassination.
― James Mitchell, Saturday, 21 August 2010 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Spreading outside of Sweden by now - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
― StanM, Saturday, 21 August 2010 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Pentagon (by the way, there's a mosque in there, did you know?) looking into persecuting WikiLeaks
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704488404575441673460880204.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_MIDDLEThirdNews
― StanM, Saturday, 21 August 2010 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Swedish rape warrant withdrawn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316
― StanM, Saturday, 21 August 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Ridiculous. Way to martyr the guy.
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 21 August 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.internet-d.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Julian-assange-nyp.png
― k3vin k., Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
wow this whole thing is like
man
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
julian assange eats a cheeseburger - http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/cheeseburger1(1).jpg
― k3vin k., Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
no wait, julian assange finishes cheeseburger, throws it away - http://www.13dots.com/reddragon/trashcan/final.gif
― k3vin k., Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Huh:
http://www.fox40.com/news/capitolpulse/ktxl-news-soldierwikileaks0823,0,2298783.story
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 August 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
But but... I've heard that Assange eats live puppies!
― StanM, Monday, 23 August 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Countdown til "Assange is a Muslim".
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 August 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
that's awesome; no one will pay attention tho i bet
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 August 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
All they have to do is say he's an Australian, surely that'll do it right? :D
― I used to lurk on some turtle forums (Trayce), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
haha an article i read today called wikileaks "stockholm-based". maybe that's true, technically
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 August 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The Pentagon said on Sunday it had a 120-member team prepared to review a massive leak of as many as 500,000 Iraq war documents, which are expected to be released by the WikiLeaks website sometime this month.Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan told Reuters the timing of the leak remained unclear but the Defense Department was ready for a document dump as early as Monday or Tuesday, a possibility raised in previous WikiLeaks statements.
Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan told Reuters the timing of the leak remained unclear but the Defense Department was ready for a document dump as early as Monday or Tuesday, a possibility raised in previous WikiLeaks statements.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 18 October 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link