Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

gay buddy of mine vocally complaining how Obama and Bush II are the only living presidents not to come out in support of gay marriage. I got kinda irritated. Which would you prefer, a president who passes DOMA and then reverses his position once out of office, or a guy like Obama who's on record for stating that he wants DOMA repealed (and Prop 8 as well) but that he "personally" doesn't approve of gays marrying. POLICY IS WHAT MATTERS. always a sore spot with me.

did you mean Clinton instead of Bush II?

obama has been pretty static in comp. w. his "fierce advocate" claim so i dont really see how different he is there

did you mean Clinton instead of Bush II?

no I didn't. Clinton recently "changed his mind" about gay marriage dontchaknow

Uh, what about Poppa Bush?

I took his word for it on that one

Maggie Gallagher, class act

On the day of closing arguments in the gay marriage ban case, Walker said it was appropriate that the case was wrapping up in June.

"June, after all, is the month for ... " He let his deep voice trail off, and smiled at the predominantly gay courtroom. Many froze, wondering if he would refer to the month in which San Francisco celebrates gay pride like Mardi Gras. Would that be a nod to rumors he was gay?

Walker waited a beat longer, savoring the moment. The he settled the suspense.

"... weddings," he said.

Hero.

but how did Ed Meese respond?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyf_9HXm4YIRHaFUQtzNKwBr8j5Ne_UzguiBORta1Uet9xRss&t=1&usg=__DWUVgJzdK_dS726LGDpTGXPn6qE=

DAMN -- Ed Meese is fugly in drag!

thumb man got himself a makeover

I never thought about this as a possible outcome.... (Defendant) Schwarzenegger is opposing the defendant-intervenors' motion for a stay. I like it.

Schwarzenegger really should just switch parties.

I took his word for it on that one

― Party Car! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, August 6, 2010 8:55 AM Bookmark

Ok, if he went on record supporting gay marriage, I totally missed it. Googling "george h. w. bush gay marriage" pretty much only brings up stuff about Walker right now.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1497/guvu.png

what the hell, sfgate?

He's passionate in his opinion, apparently.

"Let them marry!" said the governor as he ate an imaginary sandwich.

GET TO DA CHAPEL

Ted Olson!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwSprkiInE&feature=player_embedded

friends and I saw a bus that said "preserve marriage - union between a man and woman".

We rolled it and set fire to it. by that I mean we just gave em a few birds :/

http://www.theawl.com/2010/08/the-case-against-gay-marriage-by-ross-douthat-space-alien

holy shit. By Douthat's logic, it would basically be OK to ban Arabs from fast food restaurants because people shouldn't be eating fast food anyway.

I read it this morning and I couldn't believe the last graf – you can't be a member of the right wing without inserting a pointless, mean jab at the group whose sympathy you're asking for.

Douthat also ignores the true history of Western marriage. It was not always some romantic ideal. That's a relatively recent reimagining of it. It was a property arrangement in which, usually, women were the property. True, on occasion, the participants did love one another or grow to love one another, but that wasn't why marriage existed, to encourage some sort of heterosexual companionship ideal (beyond the "ideal" of the patriarchal system). Or did he skip over the coveture section of Judge Walker's opinion?

by reading "it" I meant Douthat's column.

A+ Greenwald column.

I wouldn't want to have to argue this case against Ted Olson. Also great was David Boies on Face The Nation just destroying so Focus On Family dude.

(I've seen arguments that the idea of romantic love started with the Greek p@ederasts. I don't think so--I think it's been around in one form or another since we were running around the African savannas scavenging from lion kills. But it's an argument against the "Fucking only one person of the opposite sex in your entire lifetime is the highest state of love" idea.)

Also great was David Boies on Face The Nation just destroying so Focus On Family dude

Pretty enjoyable about said goof was pretty much called a lying coward to his face. Does raise the question about why folks like him, Gallagher, etc. weren't either summoned to testify or even asked to be summoned, and they don't seem to have an answer for it.

There is no airtight or solid empirical argument against gay marriage because it all boils down to your own personal opinion. The problem is, look, I can't tell you you can't despise gay marriage...but based on that opinion, you shouldn't be able to shield others from doing it.

If I hear one person talk about the "roots of marriage", i'll ask them to define it, because the roots of marriage, depending how far back you want to go, include things like permitting guests to have sex with your wife, passing her down to your brother after you die, and even GAY MARRIAGE (HELLO, MING DYNASTY, ROMAN EMPIRE).

but then again, evidence was never a part of it. People just react to the idea on an emotional level and grasp at straws to try to give their opinion backing that more people will accept.

I was waiting for Sullivan's response to Douthat.

I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to read that wet noodle of a response to "Ross."

Nice photos though.

GET TO DA CHAPEL

― cozen, Monday, August 9, 2010 8:26 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

lol

WE ARE HERE, ROSS

The alternate lyrics at the end of "2112"

Whoa, go Mexico.

holy frijoles

next thing you know they'll be coming over the border to have babies in our hospitals

Yeah their GAY babies. Oh wait.

The Federal District's wedding industry is about to go full throttle!

gay marriage, ick, what's next, women getting paid the same as men? To think being a U.S. citizen used to MEAN something!

Ted Olson!

http://www.youtube.com/v/EJwSprkiInE&feature=player_embedded&fs=1&hl=en

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 9, 2010 9:50 AM (2 days ago)

man this might be just me there's something beautiful about reading or watching normally-awful conservatives be otm about things, i dunno why. cf that time beck backed the times square bomber's miranda rights or olsen's own article on gay rights earlier this year

Olson's wife Booth has described herself as a registered Democrat. She has contributed to the campaigns of Barack Obama and Rudy Giuliani.

huh

ha shakey maybe you're not familiar with many democrats

...might just be me *BUT there's...

Olson's first wife Barbara famously perished on one of the 9-11 planes.

Courtesy Nate Silver:

http://www.538host.com/ssm8810.png

bipartisan phallus noted in polling data

Waiting for those lines to plateau...