MIA

ok this isn't about you feeling persecuted it's about how us bullying you is a perfect example of maintaining the status quo gotcha

um deej, take it from someone who keeps trying to reclaim it despite knowing better: the "emperor is naked" argument has the largest inverse relationship of "useful" to "annoying" of practically any other strategy you could take

um deej, take it from someone who keeps trying to reclaim it despite knowing better: the "emperor is naked" argument has the largest inverse relationship of "useful" to "annoying" of practically any other strategy you could take

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:50 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark

shouldnt u be posting my argument in a ma$e thread or something

also, telling people that someone they find interesting isn't really that interesting and they would only realize this if you patronizingly tell them over and over and over again doesn't work either (tried that one, too)

how come when the emperor is naked nobody ever comments on the size of his package

Hmm. When I see another Lady Gaga cover story or a column about the depth of Inception, I just close the computer or keep walking into the convenience store to buy the pack of almonds I came for.

how come when the emperor is naked nobody ever comments on the size of his package

you don't visit the gay thread enuff

I lol'd

see its funny, i thought i presented some fairly well-argued criticisms of her music & wasnt all about HEY SHEEPLE THE MIA WEARS NO CLOTHES (tbh that would probably get a lot more attention) until we ended up in a rabbit hole w/ lazy sniping from miccio & standard ilx bullying tactics that trolled instead of engaging w/ the actual arguments i made

speaking of standard ilx bullying tactics somebody better call the wahhhmbulance

deej also a terrible conspiracy you might want to know about is that liberal hollywood has conspired to make people think they enjoy movies with sex and violence, just by always giving lots of coverage to such filth - I am calling them out on this though, soon everyone will be back to wholesome comedies like won ton ton, the dog who saved hollywood

wait wait wait -- j0hn is lecturing me on conspiracies??

we should go back to overanalyzing awesome music like Drake

deej i guess i feel you in one sense--i do find myself obligated to have an opinion about mia because other ppl do even tho i don't like her--kind of a circular thing ::shrug::

lol what conspiracies do I believe in mr off-the-rails? none afaik except for this critics-conspire-to-big-up-MIA-to-drive-the-real-music-off-the-radar one, that one seems just obvious

we should go back to overanalyzing awesome music like Drake

― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haa. this is a perfect example of the same phenomena outside of ilx

never claimed critics 'conspire' more 'have lame taste'

ok now i'm bummed cuz i'm remembering pulling some "you people!" shit (though less self-pitying, christ) about Kish Kash and jesus that was like seven years ago

theres no self pitying here idg where youre finding that

i liked kish kash iirc

sorry i thought you said you feel bullied

kinda felt this way about dizzee rascal though

never claimed critics 'conspire' more 'have lame taste'

this is why ppl are comparing u to zappa-heads btw

i 'feel' like im arguing on the internet, u are on some generic bullying shit, thus the trolling about my mindstate

xp

um ok i just never met anyone who kept complaining about bullying after bringing up arguments he had TWO MONTHS AGO and wasn't feeling just a liiiittle persecuted

i mean if I hop on a Zodiac thread or wtfever and say "I was looking at my argument with Slocki and christ why do people think this is the best movie ever?" feel free to lol

no one is bullying you - you insist on being really strident about your opinion on this thread & then complain when instead of saying "deej I disagree" people say "lol @ you for being wrong"

um ok i just never met anyone who kept complaining about bullying after bringing up arguments he had TWO MONTHS AGO and wasn't feeling just a liiiittle persecuted

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:03 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its ilx & i just reread the thread, not a real world convo bro!! these arguments are stillll allliiive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c

yeah so no one cares but:

My interest in M.I.A. is driven by the fact that I like her music. I really couldn't care less about the critical furore around her. I'm only tangentially interested in her interviews; the last time I was deeply invested in following an artist's persona/personal life/work process/etc, I was in high school but I do like digging up where she gets inspiration for her material because usually there are allusions to some global situation I'm unaware of.

A lot of her negative critics argue from the standpoint that she is an infallible narrator and get angry when it's proven that she isn't. I don't get that; look at her whole story, where she came from and who she runs with. Her life, similarly to the lives of most people, is a ball of contradictory opinions and facts. I don't take her as an authority on anything other than being herself; what I do take her for is someone who works with others to make music I really dig who talks about things I'm interested in looking up for myself. That's why I'm interested in her.

I wager people are interested in writing about her because she came into prominence post 9/11 making dancefloor anthems that referenced violence and terrorism; the ongoing state of unease the country has been in since then lends itself pretty well to using her as a critical focal point.

ok, I'm going to Superman Returns this thread and pretend a huge chunk of the last hour's conversation didn't happen so I can uh finally discuss what I think of the album.

soooo I'm new to M.I.A. land, but Kala struck me pretty instantly, especially the ethnic percussive sounds. On first two listens, Maya is sounding enjoyable to my ears too. Contrary to Kala though i'm having a harder time determining and explaining why.

like it seems to me like she threw a lot of elements in a blender and it all comes down to whether you like how the different ingredients work with each other. it isn't one of those 'you just don't get it' things.

I really really love "Steppin Up"...

good post xp

I think "Superman Return"ing a thread would involve turning a familiar tale into creepy slash

haha while we're dredging up old arguments

lol

hold up guys I'm reanimating my grandfather so I can tell him that in 1992 he got the year wrong that Meet the Beatles came out....

be sure you don't mistakenly release an elevator with a hydrogen bomb attached -- don't wanna release those damn villains.

i'm gonna run around my laptop really fast and see I can't get this thread to go back an hour

I really runalot

da croupier, just a warning about your little time travel plot, I better not open my eyes and find myself in 1993 ,on some shitty BBS playing Legend of the Red Dragon

deej is just superpissed bcz he had had the idea to sample "Straight to Hell" and MIA got to it & turned into such a ubiquitous song that there's no way he could ever get away with doing it now...

secret origin of butthurt deej

the bit about defiance being felt and not spelt out, and the sudden chaotic force of realization is some pretty writing but still, i think, complete bullshit. im not sure who is ventriloquizing for whom there. kind of don't think that there is a chaotic force of revelation felt by people who are actually being fucked over by the rulers of the world. imagine they perceive their lot right quick.

So you're saying a raised consciousness is as Western/Northern as pimping your authenticity as style?

I think radicalization is a lifelong process, with many realizations along the way (sometimes the same ones over and over, because we forget), and it cuts across the world. Sure, it's relative to power and privilege ("Amazing Grace" versus Nat Turner), but nobody's born free, whatever M.I.A. and Andy Williams have to say about it.

As for sputtering--what was it Jordan said? "90% of verbalized thoughts about politics in any form are sadly shit." I obviously don't agree about M.I.A.'s lyrics and album: To my ears, she's really going for this harmony-out-of-chaos, "Oh, now I see" Magic Eye thing in words/music like someone stepping back and seeing things for the first time.

Re: The above. Do you honestly think MIA is in the process of becoming "radicalized" and this is expressed in her music? That's an interesting take I hadn't thought of before.

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah its 'straight to hell' of sandanista

papa papa papa san

― deej, Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Do you honestly think MIA is in the process of becoming "radicalized" and this is expressed in her music?

Hadn't really occurred to me--I was more thinking the music evokes this process, whether or not the inspiration is recent, autobiographical, or even entirely intentional or conscious.

(after reading some of my posts on the 2008 Grammys thread, I kinda wish I hadn't linked to it...)

dan's post upthread aways is very otm in its otmness.