MIA

i just reread that big long argument i had w/ miccio & j0rdan & whoever else upthread. i gotta say i think its weird that its such a marginalized position to be straight up like "i dont think MIA is doing anything interesting at all really." its like, why is it enforced that she must be taken seriously at all levels? imo shes really not that significant of an artist in the grand scheme of things -- although it seems like she will become that way by sheer force of critical will

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i just reread that big long argument i had w/ miccio & j0rdan & whoever else upthread. i gotta say i think its weird that its such a marginalized position to be straight up like "i dont think MIA is doing anything interesting at all really." its like, why is it enforced that she must be taken seriously at all levels? imo shes really not that significant of an artist in the grand scheme of things -- although it seems like she will become that way by sheer force of critical will

yeah why don't those critics review hair metal anyway? that's what the people really want, they keep forcing stuff on us. bring back ratt I say

i have no interest in rehashing this argument, but that's not at all what i was saying, or even what i was talking about

i wasnt saying u were arguing it fwiw, but i think it was the overall effect

not sure what hair metal has to do w/ this.

why'd you namecheck us if we didn't actually make the argument you're complaining about

its the subtext behind the pile-on nature of the arguments itt. why was it such a big deal that i feel like shes not doing that much shit?

having reread the entire last week of this argument i think this is the most otm thing anyone posted:

tipsy and deej are both kinda right wrt "paper planes" i think - it comes off like m.i.a. wanted to tie the third-world-power tropes into more conventional (and recognisable) gangsta hustling ones. obviously she doesn't do this particularly well and she hasn't thought much about why they should be linked beyond a vague "poor people...from there...poor people...here as well" shallow insight, but that's m.i.a. for ya.

it is a fool's errand at best to try to figure out why "people" like paper planes (tho if i had a gun to my head i'd actually agree with adam bruneau--whenever i've heard this song in a club it seems like people grab onto the chorus and the sound efx in partic) but i have no idea what is "challenging" about saying that m.i.a. is a weak vocalist with a very limited persona whose voice and on-record presentation don't really bring much to the table.

paper planes is a catchy tune no doubt but i think her limitations as a performer and the issues with whatever she's trying to get across lyrically also make it a v. problematic one.

― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:24 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark

im not saying i agree w/ all that (obv not, hes disagreeing w me, in part) but this seems like a much more reasoned style of debate instead of the weird circles u guys ran in trying to prove i was a hypocrit for liking rap & disliking MIA

still sore?

i mean srsly did you come back to the thread to complain Jordan and I were "unreasonable" when we laughed about the irony in your "paper planes" dismisal a few months ago?

"blap tremendo" is esperanto for "i'm still sore" iirc

also if you want me to feel bad about mocking your "ugh all paper planes is is a stolen hook a chant and a dance beat" plz don't tie my crime into some weird persecution complex about how people won't let you not care about MIA

i mean srsly did you come back to the thread to complain Jordan and I were "unreasonable" when we laughed about the irony in your "paper planes" dismisal a few months ago?

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:30 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, bcuz its indicative of a larger thing ... i can talk about a rapper & get 'i dont get why this matters at all' from 90% of ilm but everyone has to have an opinion on MIA ... the same phenomenon that gets dudes like contenderizer writing essays about big boi records & no other rap music

are you 12 years old or what

wait people pay more attention to stuff that sells & is popular? fuck I think we have a scoop here guys

what is going on here

btw not to blow up your spot man but I read "I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX"

also if you want me to feel bad about mocking your "ugh all paper planes is is a stolen hook a chant and a dance beat" plz don't tie my crime into some weird persecution complex about how people won't let you not care about MIA

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:32 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im talking about critics in general. why does every critic have to have an opinion about it, to take her shit seriously? I mean, i venture to have an opinion that is "pretty worthless, next" & im craaazy, dont u know she has pop hits??? but most of ilx is perfectly happy having zero opinion about plenty of the artists that i think are significant & matter.

& no this isnt about me & i dont actually want contenderizer writing essays about husalah, im trying to point out a lack of critical perspective

uh huh

wait people pay more attention to stuff that sells & is popular? fuck I think we have a scoop here guys

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait .... youre giving the populist defense of ... MIA??

i don't know why people think this "Arcade Fire" band that is playing Madison Square Garden tonight "matters" and won't engage with me about this Clyde Carson MP3

but most of ilx is perfectly happy having zero opinion about plenty of the artists that i think are significant & matter.

this reminds me I posted about cattle decapitation last year & you didn't even say whether you thought they ruled or sucked

still pissed tbh

deej needs an anarchy button with husalah's face super imposed under the A

uh huh

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:35 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***meditates on teh serious art of MIA***

i think this ties in w/ the debate on tumblr (im sure u read) when tom ewing warned teenpop bros to avoid reading the best coast review ... hes kinda ... right?? that its weird how the same qualities in an artist willing to smoke weed w/ freddie gibbs are unacceptable coming from ... i dunno, whatever shit those teenpop bros listen to

deej needs an anarchy button with husalah's face super imposed under the A

― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:37 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

glad the zings have finally caught up to what i currently listen to

are you actually making these arguments

deej, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself

guys

deej does not actually give a shit about this argument

this thread has turned into a revision of austin powers where he gets unfrozen from the cryogenic chamber, takes a 3 minute piss, then comes to ilx to post about how about how people pay too much attention to popular artists

I wish all this had taken place on the Arcade Fire thread -- woulda shaken it awake.

this thread has turned into a revision of austin powers where he gets unfrozen from the cryogenic chamber, takes a 3 minute piss, then comes to ilx to post about how about how people pay too much attention to popular artists

― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:40 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark

wait ... mia is popular? how popular are we talking here. sean kingston popular?

deej is turning into the rap equivalent of those high school juniors who are convinced there's no music more "smart and valid" than Frank Zappa

"turning into"?

this thread has turned into a revision of austin powers where he gets unfrozen from the cryogenic chamber, takes a 3 minute piss, then comes to ilx to post about how about how people pay too much attention to popular artists

but they're only popular because the critics make them popular which is the hidden hair metal connection! if you guys only spent more time on the yahoo Winger group you'd know that Pearl Jam & Nirvana drove real music off the charts & this was totally because critics were only writing about what they cared about and trying to make it popular! but now real music is coming back, etc

damn critics manipulating the stock market of popular taste...one day your reign of terror will end, corpus criticalis

honestly, deej, if you think this isn't some weird persecution complex and actually a big realization about the false assumptions and the hollow towers critics erect from them, you need to workshop that shit out because its coming off like some self-pitying "I've been thinking about what you guys said two months ago and you know what that's BULLSHIT" meltdown.

"that's right, I said MIA SUCKS! Who wants a piece of me?"

deej is turning into the rap equivalent of those high school juniors who are convinced there's no music more "smart and valid" than Frank Zappa

― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:42 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats exactly the opposite of what im doing

guys, you all need to stop this crazy beef with deej

fwiw I haven't listened to this album yet because the singles i've heard blow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fm8A4gphmQ&feature=related

honestly, deej, if you think this isn't some weird persecution complex and actually a big realization about the false assumptions and the hollow towers critics erect from them, you need to workshop that shit out because its coming off like some self-pitying "I've been thinking about what you guys said two months ago and you know what that's BULLSHIT" meltdown.

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:45 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i said this isnt about me?? i drew the teenpop comparison to make it clear its about a larger point? i mentioned i dont actually want contenderizer writing abt my fav artists? im not saying whatever rapper should be at the center, just that i think its weird how everyone rallies around artists 'worthy' of appreciation like this when imo its kind of an emperor's clothes situation.

u can read any tone u want into this miccio, so long as it helps your argument seem stronger than it is

remind me what my "argument" was again

my point in bringing it up here was that heres a perfect example of maintaining the status quo by getting all bullying whenever someone dares to suggest that maybe this artist is getting a bit overanalyzed itt.

http://www.twocanoespress.com/images/Unraveling%20Thread%20Jacket%20Front.jpg

remind me what my "argument" was again

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:48 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

iirc that 'deej is a hypocrit for saying this stuff sucks for lazy one track jacks but liking a genre like hip hop!!'

ok this isn't about you feeling persecuted it's about how us bullying you is a perfect example of maintaining the status quo gotcha

um deej, take it from someone who keeps trying to reclaim it despite knowing better: the "emperor is naked" argument has the largest inverse relationship of "useful" to "annoying" of practically any other strategy you could take

um deej, take it from someone who keeps trying to reclaim it despite knowing better: the "emperor is naked" argument has the largest inverse relationship of "useful" to "annoying" of practically any other strategy you could take

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:50 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark

shouldnt u be posting my argument in a ma$e thread or something