i don't think one pun is particularly better than the other, altho dream's fits better in the context of the song
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not you're my ho? isn't that more his style?
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
not at all, really
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
okay. heart is sweeter.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2010/08/music-promtion-covers-up-silver-lake-mural/
I guess MIA wasn’t satisfied with just burning her bridges with Switch and Diplo, she’s gotta burn them with Echo Park too, both hipster and regular EP folk alike.Ironic considering she’s such a champion of minorities rights.
Ah, the Echo Park Hipster, a tragically forgotten minority.
― shakiraghmac (onimo), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
so in less than ten words, can someone sum up why M.I.A.'s newie is getting less critical love than Kala? I have it coming ground from UPS today, just curious to see if my initial reaction is similar....
― San Te, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
she ate truffle fries; people have it in for her
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
backlash was gearing before then imo, neither "xxxo" nor "born free" really got a consensus-positive reception. real answer = she made an abrasive, "difficult" and uncatchy album.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't let the bad press fool you, it really is a shit album.
― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Rev, did you sleep last night!? You've been all over the place the last eight hours.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i would just like to say that i had a basket of truffle fries last night and they were awesome.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I slept this morning
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I was trying to pull an all-nighter but gave up
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE UPS PEOPLE WITH MY COPY OF THIS ALBUM
― San Te, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
apparently Brown can't do shit for me
Rich (misappropriated) thread.
Late to say, but:
__Strictly speaking, "Paper Planes" isn't a sample. It doesn't actually use "Straight to Hell," but imitates it. The melody is different.
__Totally with Tipsy and Contenderizer on "Straight to Hell." It's also about the economic and drug fallout of the war, the only off-note being the GI slang "Mama-san" and "Papa-san" put in the mouth of a Vietnamese kid, though that works too.
__Re: Brother Ali: Boredom comes from within.
__Re: her politics: It's tough to deny that the whole gestalt of M.I.A. is part of what makes her great, a sort of half-subliminal defiance of the rulers of the earth (and anyone who defends their way of thinking as only right and obvious) and the way that defiance registers musically like it does in real life, garbled and felt rather than spelled out. I love how the new music seems to evoke this process of realization, coming together with the sudden chaotic force of revelation.
Nobody will remember what she said in an interview 20 years from now, and anyone looking her up will probably decode the way O. Nate does "terrorism," a line of thinking familiar to more "Paper Planes" fans than we're crediting. Any high-school kid today grew up with the War on Terror, more immigrants at school, gangster rap as pop, and a lot of unfocused mistrust and rage. You don't need to know or care what M.I.A. thinks about Sri Lanka to "get" how she's connecting with all this. I think her political message is both fairly obvious and more Dada-abstract than the Clash, but still the kind of radical that will earn you an NYT takedown.
__Musically, the tradition she's working is spoken-punk in love with rap/dancehall/grime/favela/Baltimore club/whatever, not any of those things per se, so I think her amateurish appeal is somewhere in between--the melodies are very Beat Happening. That's also a clear contrast from somebody like K'Naan, an actual rapper with a longer lyric sheet to show for it, which means he has to explain himself a bit more, where M.I.A. can deal in suggestive punk shorthand. When she appears on something like a remix of Busy Signal's "Tic Toc," her drawn-out style just seems out of place. She's got tunes galore, but they're hinted at rather than sung, like so much punk. Comparing her to rappers misses what's good about her.
__K'Naan's right about Somalia, by the way.
__Nothing wrong with "you should pay attention to this rapper," Deej--the best kind of presence IMO!
__Thank-yous for the heads ups on Sleigh Bells, Wreckx-n-Effect, Gucci Mane, Spectral Display (nothing wrong with those lyrics), Skinny Puppy, more I forgot.
__Re: the Bjork comparison: So did she go down some funky R&B/rap vein I missed?
__U2 hate is like gravity around here, but I'd put "Cedars of Lebanon" on any M.I.A.-era epochal politics mix.
__Bill Cosby's mom as M.I.A. backlash: "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out."
__sizeism and "retarded" = okay on ILX, I guess?
__Disinterest /= uninterest.
__This is a great album. The sequencing is perfect. The sound is amazing. I found it irresistible on first listen, without having heard or read anything about it, without reading this thread or even knowing there was an NYT article. I've listened to it a couple dozen times and wake up with it playing in my head every day, which I can't say about the last two, even after going back to them. The weakest track is "It Iz What It Iz," and even that is an amazing piece of atmosphere, kind of a Big Audio Dynamite digression. Love how "XXXO" paraphrases the melody of "Lean on Me," the siren-voice end of "Teqkilla," the rage that builds before love. (The bonus tracks make a good EP, but would gum this up.)
__Love the Letterman appearance--very Muppets! Kind of wish she had let her kid play the smashing-notes part on the lower end of the keyboard.
Peace, all.
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it came, and soon I might as well
j/k but this is good "so far" from what I can tell
― San Te, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Great post Pete.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Pete's post = /\/\ \/ P
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
__Re: her politics: It's tough to deny that the whole gestalt of M.I.A. is part of what makes her great, a sort of half-subliminal defiance of the rulers of the earth (and anyone who defends their way of thinking as only right and obvious) and the way that defiance registers musically like it does in real life, garbled and felt rather than spelled out. I love how the new music seems to evoke this process of realization, coming together with the sudden chaotic force of revelation.Nobody will remember what she said in an interview 20 years from now, and anyone looking her up will probably decode the way O. Nate does "terrorism," a line of thinking familiar to more "Paper Planes" fans than we're crediting. Any high-school kid today grew up with the War on Terror, more immigrants at school, gangster rap as pop, and a lot of unfocused mistrust and rage. You don't need to know or care what M.I.A. thinks about Sri Lanka to "get" how she's connecting with all this. I think her political message is both fairly obvious and more Dada-abstract than the Clash, but still the kind of radical that will earn you an NYT takedown.
seems kind of dumm. mia isn't (or shouldn't be) stupid, so i guess her 'being an idiot' shtick is deliberate? which is maybe even more stupid. the bit about defiance being felt and not spelt out, and the sudden chaotic force of realization is some pretty writing but still, i think, complete bullshit. im not sure who is ventriloquizing for whom there. kind of don't think that there is a chaotic force of revelation felt by people who are actually being fucked over by the rulers of the world. imagine they perceive their lot right quick.
if the concept is that the world is chaotic and horrible and mia just reflects that by making really bad records, then, again, dismissive wanking gesture really.
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i just reread that big long argument i had w/ miccio & j0rdan & whoever else upthread. i gotta say i think its weird that its such a marginalized position to be straight up like "i dont think MIA is doing anything interesting at all really." its like, why is it enforced that she must be taken seriously at all levels? imo shes really not that significant of an artist in the grand scheme of things -- although it seems like she will become that way by sheer force of critical will
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Pete's post = T |_ ; |) R
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah why don't those critics review hair metal anyway? that's what the people really want, they keep forcing stuff on us. bring back ratt I say
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no interest in rehashing this argument, but that's not at all what i was saying, or even what i was talking about
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i wasnt saying u were arguing it fwiw, but i think it was the overall effect
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure what hair metal has to do w/ this.
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
why'd you namecheck us if we didn't actually make the argument you're complaining about
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
its the subtext behind the pile-on nature of the arguments itt. why was it such a big deal that i feel like shes not doing that much shit?
having reread the entire last week of this argument i think this is the most otm thing anyone posted:
tipsy and deej are both kinda right wrt "paper planes" i think - it comes off like m.i.a. wanted to tie the third-world-power tropes into more conventional (and recognisable) gangsta hustling ones. obviously she doesn't do this particularly well and she hasn't thought much about why they should be linked beyond a vague "poor people...from there...poor people...here as well" shallow insight, but that's m.i.a. for ya.
it is a fool's errand at best to try to figure out why "people" like paper planes (tho if i had a gun to my head i'd actually agree with adam bruneau--whenever i've heard this song in a club it seems like people grab onto the chorus and the sound efx in partic) but i have no idea what is "challenging" about saying that m.i.a. is a weak vocalist with a very limited persona whose voice and on-record presentation don't really bring much to the table.
paper planes is a catchy tune no doubt but i think her limitations as a performer and the issues with whatever she's trying to get across lyrically also make it a v. problematic one.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:24 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
im not saying i agree w/ all that (obv not, hes disagreeing w me, in part) but this seems like a much more reasoned style of debate instead of the weird circles u guys ran in trying to prove i was a hypocrit for liking rap & disliking MIA
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
still sore?
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean srsly did you come back to the thread to complain Jordan and I were "unreasonable" when we laughed about the irony in your "paper planes" dismisal a few months ago?
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"blap tremendo" is esperanto for "i'm still sore" iirc
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
also if you want me to feel bad about mocking your "ugh all paper planes is is a stolen hook a chant and a dance beat" plz don't tie my crime into some weird persecution complex about how people won't let you not care about MIA
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:30 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, bcuz its indicative of a larger thing ... i can talk about a rapper & get 'i dont get why this matters at all' from 90% of ilm but everyone has to have an opinion on MIA ... the same phenomenon that gets dudes like contenderizer writing essays about big boi records & no other rap music
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
are you 12 years old or what
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
wait people pay more attention to stuff that sells & is popular? fuck I think we have a scoop here guys
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
what is going on here
btw not to blow up your spot man but I read "I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX"
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:32 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im talking about critics in general. why does every critic have to have an opinion about it, to take her shit seriously? I mean, i venture to have an opinion that is "pretty worthless, next" & im craaazy, dont u know she has pop hits??? but most of ilx is perfectly happy having zero opinion about plenty of the artists that i think are significant & matter.
& no this isnt about me & i dont actually want contenderizer writing essays about husalah, im trying to point out a lack of critical perspective
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
uh huh
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait .... youre giving the populist defense of ... MIA??
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know why people think this "Arcade Fire" band that is playing Madison Square Garden tonight "matters" and won't engage with me about this Clyde Carson MP3
― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
but most of ilx is perfectly happy having zero opinion about plenty of the artists that i think are significant & matter.
this reminds me I posted about cattle decapitation last year & you didn't even say whether you thought they ruled or sucked
still pissed tbh
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
deej needs an anarchy button with husalah's face super imposed under the A
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:35 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
***meditates on teh serious art of MIA***
i think this ties in w/ the debate on tumblr (im sure u read) when tom ewing warned teenpop bros to avoid reading the best coast review ... hes kinda ... right?? that its weird how the same qualities in an artist willing to smoke weed w/ freddie gibbs are unacceptable coming from ... i dunno, whatever shit those teenpop bros listen to
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:37 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
glad the zings have finally caught up to what i currently listen to
are you actually making these arguments
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
guys
deej does not actually give a shit about this argument
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 5 August 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link