Craigslist hilarity

jk it's a megablog, you might be able to read it from space

woo i am really tired where are all these dumb jokes coming from

harbl make a tumblr

harbl.tumblr.com

i will "reblog" you

haha i was half-wondering if a microblog was a real genre i should be aware of

it's not, right?

grown so old

That buying girls drinks thing = the world of single people is a total mystery to me

The only reason that thing is even sort of funny to me is it's in Salt Lake City, where the drinks have v little alcohol in them.

She wanted so little!

i don't like feministing. fwiw.

It is pretty strident so I don't read it often, but compared to Jezebel it is not that bad. Otoh "compared to Jezebel it is not that bad" is really damning with faint praise.

So I'm guessing I shouldn't ask this guy to shout the next round of drinks...

sorry to have missed this whole brouhaha, and i'm generally with u on most things, lj, but man that essay/thing/whateverthefuck is gross. just dripping with contempt. he's a totally great guy, but she's a greedy, grasping, overly entitled "she-devil". oh and wait, he'd already seen her run the same "game" on another poor unsuspecting sap (a fact he neglected to mention on the lead-up, when he was so "shocked" by her reaction). and then, best part, he got revenge by parading, get this, a "fatty" in front of her. shit yeah, he's the winner. maybe the best part is that he explains his friend's shagging the fat girl by telling us that the friend is "open minded". fuck you, dude.

come on, it's some bitter loser's revenge fantasy.

Whatever the quality of the Craigslist posting, at least IT FIT IN WITH THREAD TITLE to some extant.

If I'd wanted to read a bunch of jerks arguing about some trivial shit, I could have gone to ANY OTHER FUCKING THREAD on ILX.

haha

yeah, lotsa lols on that one

Well, I'm not really welcome in "not boys allowed in the room" so you know, feminism is a broad church and takes all kinds.

My main advice was that Louis should stop trying to tell other people what feminism is, and maybe shut up and listen to some women for a change.

Jezebel I find sometimes a bit consumerist, but hey, it's supposed to be a fashion/celeb magazine with a feminist slant. Feministing I actually like how completely right on it is, I find its stridency refreshing in a world where reflexively mocking 4chan attitude is just taken as given, and how it addresses more issues than just feminism - that it goes into wider social concerns of how anti-woman activities often align with a whole host of other prejudices. Me, I don't object to trigger warnings, in fact, as someone who has been sexually assaulted, I find them really helpful. It has been my experience that people who go all "Trigger warnings, WTF?!?!?" can tend to be kind of unpleasant people on the entitlement scale. But YMMV.

The point is not that "Feministing or Jezebel are the be all and end all of feminist thought" - they aren't. But they certainly provide a voice that is lacking if all you read is DiS. And also go to promote the idea that if you think of yourself as a "feminist man" or an ally or whatever, you should be listening at least as much as you are speaking.

louis killing it imo

i get a lot of second hand reactions to feminist blog stuff from people i'm following on tumblr. (i, um, don't like reading blogs that have a top-down model / that people are getting paid for, generally.) it's always kind of weird, getting that there has been a big dustup on jezebel about this or that other thing.

'feministing' is a really weirdly-formed name

omg this thread

plax before you despair remember we all still <3 u man

yeah jezebel is the worst pile of crap ever but feministing is like an okay women's rights bilerico equiv. but they cover trans and queer stories in a way that swerves b/w otm and smh

u r all good ppl btw

'feministing' is a really weirdly-formed name

i figure this comes from queering, that the blog is abt. using feminism as a framework to think about gen. pop culture things as well as specifically thinking about feminist issues.

If you want to start a "Feministing: Classic or Dud" thread, that's up to you. But really, I just brought it up coz, well, which do you think is a better way of learning/describing current feminist thought for a young man - lurking on Feministing for a few weeks, or OTM-ing bizarre craiglists rants like the one Louis posted above?

neither/nor

Then maybe you could suggest an alternative?

(and I can just sneer dismissively at yr suggestion without providing any reasoning, like you're doing now?)

idk i think its really hard to know how to advise ppl to become more involved about something as broad and diffuse as women's rights or feminism. I mean my two poles on it are high-theory feminist art history and more day to day socially-engaged queer/lgbt issues. But I mean, w/o getting trapped in some authenticity thing, those are immediate and relevant things for me, and its not exactly easy to prescribe what the right paths are for other people though i can appreciate that marxist-feminist readings of van gogh drawings aren't going to be what engages everybody.

also wtf r u talking about, i read feministing and bilerico

my suggestion would be the public library, to which you are welcome to sneer.

i mean they're okay in that they'll keep certain stories and topics on your radar, but they're in a certain form which is just connects issues to pop culture (like angelina jolie's baby and gender policing) but if you are interested you're still going to have to do the work and dig a lot deeper than what they're gonna give you.

Plax, I think your two-pronged approach is a very good one. That's it's important both to know the high end theory of it (the kind of stuff you'll find in the public library's Feminism section) but ALSO the day to day workings of it. And that a very important part of feminism, traditionally, has been the consciousness-raising and experience-sharing part of it. And that is something that you have to go to individual women, sharing their experiences, to get. And that the blogosphere has very much taken over from middle class dinner parties as the place where that consciousness-raising activity goes on, because it's more inclusive and you do get the voices that were traditionally excluded even from nice 70s style middle class feminism. (Queer/LGBT voices, women of colour - I like the push and pull of discourse back and forth between say, feministing and racalicious when they talk about the same things from different angles, and don't always agree. That's opened my mind a lot. But a lot of that comes from the community section and the comments sections, that stuff gets cross posted and cross polinated.)

That feminism is a praxis as well as a set of theories, that you can't just read a bunch of dusty tomes in a library and get an idea of what it's about.

'feministing' is a really weirdly-formed name

i figure this comes from queering, that the blog is abt. using feminism as a framework to think about gen. pop culture things as well as specifically thinking about feminist issues.

― plax (ico)

yeah i think i got there eventually! but, you know, 'queering' has the advantage of etymologically, er, 'working'/pre-existing. whereas feministing mainly looks like a pun on fisting

Yeah, I thought Feministing *was* a pun on fisting. Like, 'we are powerful women and we will fist you' or something. But the other explanation definitely makes more sense.

u see *different perspectives*

* -_- *

must resist urge to change log-in name. that is a memorable phrase you've coined there, emil.y.

do you feminist blog readers out there like Tiger Beatdown? (if that's not too much of a derail)

major xps to kate

it depends i mean, i have very definite feminist issues that i care a lot about that i'm doing my best to learn about. the main one is abortion, because abortion rights in Ireland are insane and how that intersects w/ class issues (privileged access to abortion is in my opinion the major reason abortion laws are how they are in this country) and because technology and the body and your rights over your own body intersect w/ trans/intersex issues. And i mean, this is really what I'm trying to educate myself on atm (and ilx has been really good because it has introduced me to a few takes on abortion issues that wouldnt really come up on my radar and that has been v. enlightening).

I think the status of abortion in Ireland means that there is a real urgency around these issues for me but it also means that its really easy to get into trouble (like an argument i really didnt want to get into w/ this surprisingly "pro-life" girl who basically said i had no right to have an opinion about abortion at all and keep my hands off her unborn child or w/e) But I've definitely said some really stupid things in the past trying to defend my position, but I definitely dont regret it because it has helped me learn and grow, and while I DEFINITELY take yr point kate that a little more listening than talking is always required, sometimes you just have to try and say what you feel, especially if you think nobody else will say it instead.

Maybe it's time to start a Feminist Blogs/Communities I Have Known... thread instead of cluttering up craigslist...

x-post sorry, Plax

np

this feels like the worst hangover ever

sure, I backed an outsider because I saw something in it, but it still crashed out with my money

a true PUA never buys a girl a drink, it's true

piece uf ass?

poor, underage alcoholic

I refuse to believe that Why I Didn't Buy You A Drink post isn't an elaborate parody. I initially thought that it needed a hot chick waiting in bed for him but actually the last paragraph probably surpasses that.

Wow at that guy, what a fucking jerk! Max and Kate are totally OTM I think.

the guy sounds like an aspie dick

― max, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 15:49 (Yesterday)

Wouldn't go anywhere near as far as "aspie" but the guy's whole steez is approaching "a pint of your finest foaming ale, stout yeoman of the bar" for sure.

wait do you have to HAVE a tumblr to follow things on tumblr. should i have a tumblr. idk tell me something. max.