Final Fantasy VII: Kind Of REDACTED In Retrospect

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I think I can agree with the idea that it hasn't aged as well as some other games, for whatever reason. It was definitely classic at the time, but I haven't played it since '98 and probably never will. Whereas I've played Xenogears, FF6, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Zelda 3 and SMB3 within the last 4-5 years and still really enjoyed them (and would probably rate them even higher as a result). I don't know exactly why FF7 sits apart from these; I don't think it's Cait Sith or long summon spells.

xpost I don't think they are!

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know that the mechanics are seriously different but I feel that VII was the point where it got too grandiose, too in the way of the game, and just generally too damn much. I mean I love Breath of Fire 1 to 3 and that's basically the same gameplay.

Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

This is a good read but I couldn't finish it because of spoilers.
(I suspect it says a lot for FF:T that I am actually able to avery my eyes and now rabidly read on when I see a spoiler coming up about the storyline or something. Few things in my life cause me to do this).

http://www.icybrian.com/freezer/tavisramzapower.php

TOMBOT, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I really think, btw, that FF7 was the beginning of the end for Square's quality control (A BOLD CLAM indeed, I know) but it was also so massively successful it just inspired a huge amount of SHIT that's only just recently leveling off as people realize that Xenosaga games are horrifyingly bad for everyone and their life.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Also why am I the typo king lately, "avert my eyes and not" wtf

TOMBOT, Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you talking about "CLAM"? I assumed that was intentional a la "discus" and "daer."

MORE BOLD CLAMS

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

no just the part in quotes, clam was intentional, yes

BOLD CLAM: Tactical games have more replay value than conventional RPGs.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Since conventional RPGs tend to be more narrative focused (and it's usually just not as much fun to relive pure plot a second time unless the story is phenomenal), and since tactical games tend to have more dynamic problems with far more than one "right" solution: yes.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

FF7 Hint: Press A repeatedly to win.

A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude that's SO not true, sometimes you have to pick ITEM or MAGIC with the d-pad too! And read stuff. I mean, you can't just not read the stuff and expect to win. Also where is the A button?? :D

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure you could not read any of it and still win.

Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

INDANITY, YUFFIE WAS THE BEST PART OF 7.

c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ffantasyh.com/galleries/yuffie/

A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.melissauran.com/hentai/ClodandYuffie.jpg [NSFW - controversial mod edit]

A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

goddamit jon, link that shit

kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, guess I didn't need to change the thread title.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

'sokay

kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I was gonna say "that's pretty tame" and then I finally saw teh cock.

Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

There's another picture in that gallery where Yuffie looks like a can opener.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

OH U GUYZ

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I WOULD LIKE ALL TO KNOW THAT THAT WAS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND.

c(''c) (Leee), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

ffx for nes

rio natsume, Monday, 16 January 2006 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I really think, btw, that FF7 was the beginning of the end for Square's quality control (A BOLD CLAM indeed, I know)

I don't know if your clam holds up to inspection when considering their entire line of stuff since FF7 (b/c the only Square game I've played to completion since that came out is Parasite Eve), but the lack of quality control sure pissed me off during my initial playthrough of the game after it came out. It seemed to me obvious that I was playing an unfinished game once I got past being totally enthralled by the early city stuff. All of a sudden, little touches started disappearing, like the branching dialogue boxes for the relationship subplots. I suppose that that Earthbound review duder would claim that that was just a brilliant bit of misdirection on Square's part, but the way it was handled was really sloppy. Moving on from the first part of the game, the overworld seemed nowhere near as interesting or well-formed an environment as the city was. Is that comparing apples and oranges a bit? Maybe, but why did the characters have to leave that environment at all? All the characters in the party that weren't part of the terrorist group just felt superfluous (especially Cait Sith-- WTF Japanese kawaii bullshit). And why did the third CD basically just contain the final boss?

Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 16 January 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That's awesome, Rio. I'm going to start playing that tonight. xpost

Laura H. WHO IS A GIRL (laurah), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I hated the way you had to fight every single random battle on the plains to get experience, otherwise your characters were too shit to fight the big bosses. Sometimes you'd just finish a battle and then that fucking annoying noise again, jesus!!!

I can't remember what I changed cait sith's name to, but I'm sure it was better than cait sith.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it Algernon Vang?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend not to have much problem with long cutscenes, seeing as that's when I go to the bathroom. Plus I actually have really fond memories of the high-level spell cutscenes, because once you got into the really long ones they kept advancing them, almost with every single use, to the point where it seemed like any higher spell level would have to involve destroying the entire universe. I mean, first the dragon comes out of the atmosphere, and then it comes from behind the sun or something, and then by the end the damn thing zooms out to some dark planet even beyond Pluto and the giant mega-dragon spends five minutes racing through the entire solar system and then homing back in one your one enemy's ass -- that was #7, right? That was pretty sweet.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.j-fan.com/gamehumor/ssffvii.jpg

Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

first the dragon comes out of the atmosphere, and then it comes from behind the sun or something, and then by the end the damn thing zooms out to some dark planet even beyond Pluto and the giant mega-dragon spends five minutes racing through the entire solar system and then homing back in one your one enemy's ass

yeh, and after all that it causes only 200 damage or something.
i have very fond memories of ff vii, as i was very ill at the time i played it & the only thing i could cope with was switching on my console & then lying in bed pressing x and o repeatedly.

zappi (joni), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Chrono Cross had plenty of these overblown cutscene attack segments(like the meteor attack, etc)

hell, even Planescape and Anachronax had them, and both games made explicit where they cribbed it from

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

A LITTLE BIRDY TELLS ME THAT ONE OF OUR FORUM REGULARS HAS BEEN PLAYING THE SHIT OUT OF THIS GAME THIS WEEKEND

Dan (Haws) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 22 January 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Not true, I uninstalled it earlier this week. And then watched Advent Children anyway.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 22 January 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i have yet to see advent children. is it any good?

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 22 January 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

NO

adam (adam), Monday, 23 January 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes

VIDEO STRESS (blastocyst), Monday, 23 January 2006 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

FIGHT IT OUT WITH DICKS

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 January 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

this is sort of adorable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKq9iJMXs8Y

Jordan, Friday, 21 December 2007 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

this thread makes me so sad because its mostly kind of right. i used to have a poster of cloud--this whole game was my life for like 6 months.

max, Friday, 21 December 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link

What is wrong w/ you people Yuffie is so obviously the best followed closely by Cait Sith.

Leee, Friday, 21 December 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Ugh, that video has horrible sound quality. I will go FULLBORE NOSTALGIA and say those pop-midi soundtracks of IV-VI were vastly superior the more film-like scores to VIII and later.

Nhex, Friday, 21 December 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i stand by my comments upthread.

Jordan, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the quality is fine in the Youtube video, it's just the actual performance itself that has problems. I demand perfection in my RPG battle themes, and the younger the performers are, the more perfection I demand! 110%.

Z S, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

"Still More Fighting" is the best song in the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTqX9IKmZtQ

abanana, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link

This is actually pretty awesome

The chocobo theme performed on dual guitars by Zack Kim, the goto hangout buddy in 6th grade, who also performs the Simpsons theme and Super Mario Bros. song upon request.

Z S, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

ha, that last kid is sick!

Jordan, Friday, 21 December 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

An early ILG classick

kingfish, Monday, 9 March 2009 07:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I've softened on FFVII quite a lot but overlong cut-scenes can still fuck right off.

SB ya later, alligator (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 March 2009 08:12 (fifteen years ago) link

probably my favourite gaming memory, but yeah i wouldn't go back to it.

Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2009 09:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I realise there might be something wrong with me but i still go back to it. recently to finish of the emerald weapon, and i certainly will give ruby a try sometime in the future

sonderangerbot, Monday, 9 March 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link

just saw a spoiler for the remake that made my interest in it go from 0 to 100

― ciderpress, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:02 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

can you put it in rot13 or something

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:32 (four years ago) link

big but vague spoilers: gurl ner tbvat erohvyq bs rinatryvba jvgu gung fuvg

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 5 April 2020 03:56 (four years ago) link

nrevf qvrf

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 5 April 2020 04:47 (four years ago) link

im heading in tonite

adam, Friday, 10 April 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

The early hours of this are more like Yakuza than I expected, i.e you walk around a vivid urban sandbox having chats and doing sidequests and uh also there is an awful deranged Goro Majima expy who loves fighting you

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 10 April 2020 22:06 (four years ago) link

jesus now i am even more hyped

adam, Friday, 10 April 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link

I'm seven hours in and approximately 40 minutes into the plot of the original game

Looks great, spend a lot of time just looking at stuff and soaking up the vibe, it's kind of bittersweet idk

The combat mechanics work for me, clattering people with Tifa doesn't seem like it'll get old and there's plenty of stuff for you to do in combat with each character right from the start

A lot of the hardcore fans seem excited that Biggs, Wedge and Jessie have (extremely) expanded roles, but a lot of the interactions with Jessie are just kind of distractingly uncanny gibberish. Britt Baron is a bit more natural as Tifa

There are at least two Skyrim guys in this game whose voices I'm extremely sick of

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 11 April 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link

I'm seven hours in and approximately 40 minutes into the plot of the original game

kill me

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 11 April 2020 00:44 (four years ago) link

there’s at least one implementation of that game mechanic outside of having to play final fantasy eight, you know

― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, April 3, 2020 8:32 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

The only one I know of is through that square app but they no longer have online play

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 11 April 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link

it took me a few minutes to place the voice actor who plays Wedge: it’s Matt Jones, who played Badger on Breaking Bad. And the character is kind of like an optimistic, less-stoned Badger

mh, Saturday, 11 April 2020 03:20 (four years ago) link

as far as I can tell, Cloud is now dating every female character. And also probably Sephiroth.

mh, Saturday, 11 April 2020 03:21 (four years ago) link

jim i swear every year someone does it on iOS with the serial numbers filed off -- e.g. here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/elementimals/id452197048 -- but i don't know if there's any recent versions still working on modern iOS iterations

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 11 April 2020 03:51 (four years ago) link

i am not sure if this game is "good" but it's fun and very strange and very much interested in its own remake-ness.

adam, Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:09 (four years ago) link

the latter being what i was referring to upthread that made me interested in it

ciderpress, Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link

Game is very horny
Aerith is very annoying
Chadley is a little fucking weirdo and I wish I could smack him

Music is great

In the middle of a strangely sequenced bit where Cloud just sort of chills out for hours after a major catastrophe

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 12 April 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link

no PS4/didn't play but watched the entire game online m/l start to finish on a cpl twitch streams. pretty amazing! def a surplus of drawn out parts and a little melodramatic but overall beautiful, they did really great things with all of the characters and the soundtrack is about as good as you could hope for. And after a cpl days thinking about the ending and how they remixed + restructured the game... pretttty fuckin smart!

lumen (esby), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link

have they nailed the psychedelia of the origibal game? sooo trippy in places

thomasintrouble, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link

It's less trippy, I think. You lose a bit by having expensive orchestras playing everything instead of cheap but extremely evocative ps1 electronic noises. Like the mako reactor music does not chill me to my core any more for example

Also lots of gaps that your imagination filled in the original game are now filled by realistic character models and voice acting

Every time I think I'm going to finish this game I get north of midnight and get attacked by 300 robots in a labyrinthine facility that didn't look like it could be that big from the outside

Reserving judgment on the ending til I see it but I am fairly up for them pruning/abridging the less iconic bits from the middle bit of the original game. I won't be disappointed if I don't get to fight for my life for eight hours while traversing the network of sewers beneath the Costa del fuckin Sol

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 23 April 2020 09:37 (three years ago) link

ILG: the gaming board where no one has time for Final Fantasy VII Remake, really

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:57 (three years ago) link

It's really good! But when are we going to get to the fuckin fireworks factory!!

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:13 (three years ago) link

I was going to download this but I'd have to delete some games off my PS4 to make space for it and I don't actually care enough to do that

DJP, Thursday, 23 April 2020 13:49 (three years ago) link

I'm to the point where I've almost finished fighting my way up the stairs as the Turks are hovering in a helicopter getting ready to drop the plate. Taking my time, I guess

mh, Thursday, 23 April 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link

I won't be disappointed if I don't get to fight for my life for eight hours while traversing the network of sewers beneath the Costa del fuckin Sol

i haven't played the game, only read about it, but correct me if i'm wrong in thinking that it is more likely that you will instead have to fight for 16-24 hours in the sewers beneath the Costa del fucking Sol, with a bunch of expanded scenes and mini-bosses

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link

man I have played a lot of ff7 and yet I'd completely erased that whole section from my memory. almost tempted to invest in a ps4 on lockdown but not sure it's really what i need in my life

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

At this point, Costa del Sol is probably going to be in like... part 3 or something

mh, Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link

Not a spoiler at this point, but the released remake thus far only covers Midgar, from what I've read

mh, Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link

the name 'costa del sol' is a sleeper hit for one of the wackiest real-world-appropriated name choices in all japanese video game development

and man i hope there's someone out there who's really really hyped for this and somehow hadn't learned it only covers midgar, and after their 60-hour midgar experience they're furious that the game ends there

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 24 April 2020 07:30 (three years ago) link

Woulda been me eventually

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 24 April 2020 08:17 (three years ago) link

I’m glad the kind-of-spoiler I read is actually something that becomes clear as you’re playing, regarding the weird spectres

mh, Friday, 24 April 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link

Big fan of Cloud's mom being called Claudia

The late game bit where some toughs sic a monster on you in a junkyard with great fanfare is also good clean mischief

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 27 April 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

This game is very very pretty on ps5 and I have having a great time playing it. I think after 15 years of trying final fantasy games, it’s finally starting to click why they are so well loved

hrep (H.P), Sunday, 13 March 2022 07:52 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Initial (~8-12 hours, rmde) impressions:

This game is long! I'm still pnly bombing Shinra buildings?
After reading some guides, I think I'm finally understanding the combat, but man, it's complicated and the game doesn't do much to ease you into it. (It does make me long for simple nice turn-based action.)
I really don't like Barrett's voice actor. :(
I guess it's been a while since I played an FF (lol I think 9 was the last one) but I've forgotten how campy it could be.

Carnegie Felon (Leee), Saturday, 30 April 2022 20:01 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Pretty much everyone who played the first part of the remake said the only thing it was really missing was having constant interruptions from that weird little cunt in the sailor outfit

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 2 March 2024 19:29 (one month ago) link


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