― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Callum, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
But then, Im in the suburbs right now, and at least in my area, that's emo city. Mainly because teens who just a few years ago liked Blink think its time to grow up, but dont want to have to listen to music that might challenge them. Thus, emo. And yes, I know the story of emo, came out of hardcore, Rites of Spring, blah blah blah. That doesnt matter. Emo, for what it is right now, is kids who dye their hair a darker color (thus representing the darkness of their hearts), wearing pseduo-vintage ironic t-shirts, and making poetry on their livejournals that always somehow involves stars, reaching for those stars, blood of crimson, and how nobody will truely love them.
Also, no, Im not gonna go download some old emo songs. You say it's good - well if it is, then chances are, its not emo. If the lyrics arent self-obsessed and myopic, chances are its probably just hardcore.
― David Allen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
That said, you're mostly right.
(listening to Antioch Arrow)
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
i'm not much for Emo, mostly very boring (e.g. Karate), but I get the feeling it may be a gateway genre. Emo kids may grow up to have good taste. or not.
― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
(re: the karate comment)
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
would you like to quiz me jonathan? my moss icon records are in storage, but i can probably do it from memory.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.
-- The Jargon File
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
It is one of the worst genre names ever though.
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, you said something about not knowing the historical context. First off, since this was about emo-kids, the historical context doesnt really matter. Do you think any modern day whiney teen listening to Saves the Day, has any clue about the post-Minor Threat DC movement of the mid-80s? Thats what Im considering emo (even though I dont particularly like the old emo either). And why not? If emo-kids call it emo, then it's emo. And if not, if its something else, well, its still crap. Crap that eminated towards a shift-to-crap in the mid-80s.
― David Allen, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
(tom sez this week.)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 08:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 17 October 2002 04:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
EVERYONE PLEASE GO READ FOURFA.COM
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 17 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 October 2002 12:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― I Am All Prostitutes, Monday, 10 April 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Thomas Tallis (tallis4...), April 9th, 2006.
new wave hooker girls
― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Okay, guys...here's the secret:
Labels don't exist.It's just a stupid joke made up for little kids. Like pirates.
This thread wasn't even discussing labels. It was supposed to be, "Do indie kids hate emo kids?" not "Is indie better then emo?"
ALL LABELS SUCK. Just do your own thing.
Most people around here don't even know what indie is.They're all like, "are you emo?" and then they do that obnoxious giddy laugh, and I'm all like, "If you want to call me emo, then I'm emo to you. Problem solved."
I don't have many friends...
― Mr. Sword-for-a-head, Sunday, 16 April 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link
NO!
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 16 April 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link
that's gold Jerry! Gold!
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― MerelyHuman, Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 April 2006 08:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― BEn Styring, Monday, 8 May 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ben Styring, Thursday, 11 May 2006 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 11 May 2006 10:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― j s, Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Natalie Claire, Friday, 12 May 2006 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― kevin francis (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― ratty, Friday, 12 May 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ben Styring, Friday, 12 May 2006 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 12 May 2006 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― procrastinator, Friday, 12 May 2006 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ben Styring, Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link
punk kids be all like dis.......
fank you apollo!!
― jonathon, Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link
You shouldn't have abandoned them! ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― EMO INDIE SCENE ALL IN ONE, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― like murderinging (modestmickey), Sunday, 21 May 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ex_Mortem (Ex_mortem), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm a metalhead, i listen to heavy metal, death metal, i wear black, because i feel most comfortable in black, am i emo? Do i slit my wrists? no on both counts. I mean who the fuck calls Iron Maiden EMO? There is the other type of metal as well, with 'growling' vocals, now people who get SCREAMO confused with growling vocals are just dumb, because growling has been around for decades, and it sounds nothing like the screamo stuff today,
A lesson in history for all of you, first up, Iron maidens 'number of the beast' has a massive scream after the first few lines, is that screamo? NO. is that emo? NO.
The term 'emo' or 'emotionaly hardcore' actually came from bands in the 70s\80s who would break down and cry on stage in the middle of songs, THATS where it came from, not some 2002 generation 'i hate my life so i'll slit my wrists' shit.
End.
― relay3r, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link